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the two poles are the guy insisting that modern music is all mastered for laptop speakers these days anyway - anything else is just ridiculous opulence and if you need good kit to appreciate music you don't really like music - and these dudes with their private electricity supplies...

i dont think it's at all surprising that a politician should be capable of convincing themselves that there should be one rule for him and one for everyone else, particularly where sex and drugs are concerned. and yep, what sufi said.

No. Here's some necessary context from someone who was actually at the hearing - Have no doubt that you'll continue ignoring the evidence and cherry picking the bits of reactionary (speculative, homophobic etc) tabloid press which support your position though!

How does client criminalisation get to the root causes of those problems, as you see them? The demand doesn't just disappear and people working in the industry still need to earn to survive, so how is driving sex work underground getting to the root of any problem when it involves removing the...

new 50 page report by amnesty on the failures of the nordic model (criminalisation of clients), subtitled 'the human cost of crushing the market' https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur36/4034/2016/en/ big focus on how police have chosen to implement laws criminalising clients in such a way...

That's a fair concern, I share that. But I don't think it's fair at all to place forced labour next to sex work in a 'food chain'.

No one in their right mind would argue against that, but forced sexual exploitation isn't sex work and it's obviously not what sex worker activist groups are lobbying for. Any legislation that would make it worse for those people would obviously be dreadful, but why would that need be the case?

Edit - wrong stat. Yep that's terrible. I don't know of numbers in the UK. A couple of the reports I've posted in response to Benny have numbers for the US and New Zealand I think.

No. This isn't an argument for the Swedish model, however, and is consistent with my viewpoint. No, because as we've discussed the legal definition of trafficking is broken, as it includes economic migrants who voluntarily enter into sex work in order to support themselves. Ridiculously, a sex...

Your arguments and the consistency of the reasoning you've cited have been interrogated pretty thoroughly at every turn and you've failed to provide counter arguments every time, instead preferring to moralise or make grandiose and offensive remarks about slavery.

You implied that your position is 'the feminist' position - 'that's why I look to the feminists for guidance' - and that this position is the one concerned with 'gender and patriarchy', which is something all feminists are concerned with.

I'm not sure this is true. A huge amount of sex work in the UK is conducted through Internet sites now through which sex workers advertise and screen their clients - who are essentially ranked/reviewed, with any problems or difficulties flagged up. People can choose not to accept clients who...

This is a huge distortion of your actual position. Sex work is one of the most contentious areas within contemporary feminism, and what you have actually done is seek out the subset of feminists who will confirm your existing prejudice - feminists who are mostly older, middle class, white, from...

response to farley's research by PS - http://prostitutescollective.net/2012/07/17/response-to-melissa-farley/ - huge amount of manipulated data and misrepresentation going on. the PS response also contains hard stats from independent studies with citations regarding the numbers of sex workers...

Ok gotcha. I think writings on consent and the nature of wage labour by sex workers (Google will bring up a lot) are what you should be prioritizing in setting your moral compass to this, that's how I try to set mine.

I think it's pretty insulting to suggest that work hasn't been done already. Tea and I have both written long posts citing sources which have been systematically ignored by the people here arguing for abolition, who instead prefer to liken sex workers to slaves and deny their agency. I have...

You don't have the right to tell other people, especially women, what they can't consent to. Droid, I get that your question was in good faith. I've explained why I think it's unhelpful.

I don't think it's black and white personally. I don't think morality exists on an absolute scale. My suspicion of the question comes from its use as a diversion tactic by politicians, religious groups and abolitionists as a way to avoid having a real conversation about sex work, and sex...

I don't think it's a relevant question, the conversation should be about safety and basic human rights. I think it's immoral to deny sex workers agency, to deny their status as workers and to implement legislation that makes them more at risk, less able to report abuse, less able to screen...

I don't buy the value judgement line when we're talking about words which describe communities of people who are systemically discriminated against, and which are readily used in order to propagate discrimination against them. And it's not like there's no alternative. That website has an...