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all this is true but i'd also like to say that @thirdform for me and you and people in here we have to be wary of the talk about England's decline. I know people in here will be saying the fuck are you talking about but this is a paticular kind of rhetoric that's been a cottage industry since...

hahaha the process of learning and unlearning is a funny one i knew those clips would sheg you up lol

met Pat Mills as a signing for his autobio few years ago, nice man alot more upbeat and engaged than you would've assumed considering how cynical his stuff tends to be

have you ever read any Garth Ennis? cause all his stuff has that kind of trashiness to them, all that stuff about the fascism embedded in superheroes isn't anything new Watchmen of course is the obvious one but there's Pat Mills' Marshall Law which i think is really good. especially because...

noz brings up this aneccdote about how when he interviewed Gucci Mane on his lyrics he said to him "i'm not a lyricist Eminem is a lyricist" which to him was a comment that felt like it flew in the face of what's in his music, but that comment is both a reflection of how attitudes or marketing...

as i said before and @rubberdingyrapids has joked about i've been asked about Eminem before and the expected response is for me to be mad about him and i'm just not even if i know there were rappers who i thought were better than him, if anything my ire is more directed towards Jay Z. I've seen...

anyways have fun with that point blank album i'm interested to know what you think of those videos of Em talking about Treach i've heard a few tracks off Infinite and they are just ok, people who swear that its some kind of hidden gem are loons cause he was still sounding like AZ back then and...

@pattycakes_ going back to what you said with jiggy rap and not feeling empowered by it cause it wasn't street cause of how flashy it was, it was but that might've been because it wasn't the streets you were familiar with. What i mean is that now stuff from that period what with the kind of...

it it's own way this is why i get annoyed with catalog whenever he brings up Dean Blunt when i talk rappers, granted he's got his own thing in terms of being a Asian man growing up in Manchester but the frustration for me comes from a place of not just engaging with these things on its own terms...

His name is alive had to really think to remember that one @shakahislop @padraig (u.s.) some of em are the kind of groups where like you know that they're basically just anaemic versions of the bands everybody knows and if somebody were to ask you where to start with them you'd have to give...

there's quite a few examples for me where this dynamic happens because one has a better average on a whole that makes it "better" even if the highs on the other thing might be better. but with that consistency comes deminishing returns of course, if 90s indie was at the forefront of guitar...

so @catalog which Everett book are you looking to start with then? by right considering your semiotics/symbolism and philosophy interests he should be up your street. and you can't come and say that he's lacking in humour either because his books can be very funny

which book has been picked? i imagine it's probably the trees and yeah likewise i hope that's the case his upcoming book Dr. No looks interesting as his stuff tends to be

yes exactly and those lads that you're talking about are exactly what i'm talking about as far as white people having no middle ground when it comes to appreciating rap music the people who only listen to a specific checklist of "alternative" rappers from back when that used to mean something...

yeah her's is just more "theoretical" rather than some bullshit "paying tribute to my pre christian ancestors" line of garbage, swear down "hoteps" get all the jokes layed at them when that stuff is just as if not more dumb

its not gonna happen i don't care how warbly that guys voice gets, i don't like any of the songs he did with Kanye and yes that includes Hold my Liquor just get him outta here

also the reason i paused at Soccer Mommy is because its such a bad band name, the 2000s had its share of awful ones but good grief have i been exposed to some renk ones and the people in them are the sort of people who would be in a band with that terrible a name

i quite like this but it sounds very bon iver and you'll never get me into that guy or that band

careful the lead singer came out as trans, i remember the furvor over Liturgy but at that time i couldn't really get invested like that not only but that was around the time Blake Judd of Nachmystium fame was at the peak of his popularity before sqaundering it all lol

yep all very true and its why that Steve Albini "problem with music" piece was such a fall back to reality for some people at the time because it was like "when the fuck did we think we were gonna have full fledged careers out of this?"