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yep but unfortunately a lot of people will not accept that the fact that this is true does not preclude music that is technically complex or demanding from being powerful also - the tired old punk rhetoric still gets trotted out although it's being given short shrift over in the prog thread.

squarepusher's an interesting artist in the context of this discussion tho, not only because of the drill & bass thing but for the jazz funk angle - I mean straight up jazz funk would get laughed at by the crowd at, for instance, a warp night or some such, but it's perfectly acceptable for...

yep this is the point isn't it - I've got no interest in the 'purity' of genres, it just irks when, as bassnation says, ideas - some of which are genuinely innovative but dismissed initially as dumb club fodder - are twisted around and then passed off as avant-guarde activity that...

I just think some of the music James has produced, especially recently, is kind of parasitic on those genres whilst also attempting to take the piss out of them to a certain extent but without particularly adding anything interesting to them musically & this particular set epitomised that

I have this ep compost records put out a few years ago called nitrogen with the unpromising subtitle 'trip hop sources from the past' - basically four tracks of 70s & 80s german strange jazz, I think the highlights are michael bundt's 'the brain of oskar panizza' & placebo's 'balek'

know exactly what you mean, it was going through my mind when I saw Richard D James & Russell Haswell Djing at Herbal a few months back - they were basically playing a mix of hip hop, dancehall, R&B , detroit techno & drum & bass but everything was played on laptops through msp patches making...

valis & ubik are pretty intense (the result of dick's full on 'mental illness'?) but I still like the more straightforward (relatively speaking only) sci fi stuff he wrote earlier on - they're packed full of ideas that are still being recycled by people these days

second that - 'man in the high castle' is awesome. First one I read - 'time out of joint' still strikes me as one of the best

ok this isn't exactly obscure and the album itself isn't supposed to be all that (I haven't heard it) but I think this stands out amongst recent fare: simple but catches your attention like nothing else. Trevor Jackson's finest moment?

I think it was on tartan video (VHS) I rented it from the film shop in broadway market, hackney - dunno if that's any use to you!

try and see 'kwaidan' if you haven't already - 4 short ghost stories made in the '60s by director Masaki Kobayashi. Again not scary as such but quite macabre and visually stunning

and fuck me if he doesn't do the ugly edit of 'the love i lost' 15 years before theo parrish...

Some of the Ron Hardy ones are amazing - it was listening to these that made me finally realise what a subtle transition from disco that house & techno had been rather than the incredible revolution I had assumed as a teenager living in Britain

I'll have to try and get that one, sounds amazing - have you seen 'dark water' by the director of the ring? It gets a bit silly right at the end and is never particularly scary, but the sheer feeling of mounting unease is like nothing else I've seen

lazy cheapskate motherfuckers - instead of paying people to research & write reviews for them, they just get some hapless minion to trawl the blogs for material written by folks they assume will not have the resources to sue their arses

wang at the dungeons was great for two sessions but now they've pulled out til new years the problem with clubs near the centre of town is they can get away with relying on tourist trade and don't need to please regulars - the best atmospheres in clubs imho are when the same people go week...

i'd like to know more about improvements at the end because i stopped going there as well despite some tempting line-ups. It was for two reasons, one that more than once I have been there with people who were supposed to be on the guest list with additional numbers and at the door they claimed...

good - somewhere I can legitimately air what is hopefully my last gripe about fabric which is that one quality my girlfriend values highly in a venue is the ability to move around unmolested by predatory teenage boys - and she's 39 ferchrissakes!

godammit got to this thread too late, would love to hear this mix but it looks like the link no longer links, any chance of fixing it up?

sorry it was my fault for meandering off topic, should have started an anti-fabric thread and waited for fellow miserable bitter sods to join me but just couldn't wait to get it off my chest. It's true that great artists come and play at fabric, they got that bit spot on - but that's exactly my...