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in all fairness, i don't think that those have to be the only two options -- there's a lot more to contemporary (continental) house & techno than simply "the ubercoolische camp." thanks for the links, though - wasn't aware subhead were even still active (or are they?).

I've definitely had times where I've felt similarly, though i usually reserve my frustration for individual events or DJs; i've had too many quality times (and continue to) to write off the music/genre/scene/subculture entirely. I do think one major culprit, which almost never gets mentioned, is...

"Minimal" has been a bad word since at least as long as the music hasn't been, basically. There's also a certain tongue-in-cheekness to the minimal slagging; that "Minimal My Ass" t-shirt is by Paul Snowden (Rave Strikes Back, Bang Bang Berlin), who certainly runs in circles that have their...

i actually never knew that was an edit of a kikrokos track until i found it on discogs, and not too long ago -- i picked up the "ron's edits #2" 12" at hardwax a few years back but there was no info about what the edits were of, and my disco knowledge runs about as deep as a mosquito's sniffer...

What's up with Harco Pront, anyway? I reviewed a couple of his releases for the Wire's Critical Beats column, years ago.... haven't heard a peep from him in ages though. Always dug his stuff.

hey everyone - from what i recall, sleeparchive told me that one of the EPs was indeed done by another artist, but he wouldn't say who. "just another boring guy from berlin" was his quote, IIRC. as for redshape, i'm pretty ignorant of his work, but i just got a very nice EP by oracy, mojuba...

there's a sample of PINK in there? which one? (or do you just mean that it sounds kind of pink? i can detect a rosy glow in a lot of melchior's stuff. lots of yellow, too.)

whoa!!!!!!

Tod Dockstader's "Quartermass" and others some interesting vintage stuff up at curved-air.com on the synth-pop end of the spectrum, lots of "minimal synth" and "coldwave" stuff here: http://www.minimal-wave.org/site/index.php

agreed on onur -- the "red cabaret" EP (or whatever it was called) was GENIUS, but i can't really take him in larger doses. would have preferred a series of 12"s, as silly as that sounds. seconded on the melchior, though i'm still just digging in. my techno/house/schminimal album of the year...

one of those sleeves you put up there above reminds me of another: <img src="http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf100/f142/f14222kyoc1.jpg"> i agree, ECM's visual aesthetic can be a little tired -- like, ok, we get it, cliffs are windswept, and this is moody. (of the above three covers, i...

well, there is the Black Rock Coalition, which promotes African-American (i think it's predominantly american) *bands* playing more or less in the rock idiom; and i'm pretty sure there was a NYT or similar culture piece on the resurgence of black bands a few years ago. then, of course, there's...

never knew that about the speedy j track, dave! that's really interesting. lots of IDM, actually, lent itself to creative pitching -- from the get-go i always preferred the amen andrews records (a late example, of course) played at 33, not 45. this may have been mentioned upthread but i think a...

also, plenty of non-breakcore IDM absoltely WAS dance music, or at least attempted to be. consider mouse on mars' live shows (and perhaps half their recorded output). and as for the albums over 12"s claim, don't forget skam, MAS, schematic and other labels around 97 that were pretty intensely...

i'll try to respond at further length when i have more time, but i quickly wanted to address the i-word, which so often is the sticking point in these discussions. but i think that "intelligent" is a bit of a red herring; while some IDM adherents doubtlessly thought their music more clever than...

plus: omg curved-air, where have you been all my life?

btw, nice thread, woebot! i've been trying to freshen up my ears with non-techno lately (i know, radical idea, coming from me) and it's nice to have a place to talk about it as well.

I adore the Dino Saluzzi records. He plays bandeonon (similar to the accordion) and mixes up tango with jazz and chamber music, to put it in extremely reductive shorthand. His album <I>Senderos</i>, with percussionist John Christensen, is wonderfully rich and ramshackle improv with lots of...

that's great to hear. i really dug bodzin's set at synch festival in athens a couple months back -- he really made the most of the performative aspects (for a laptop set), what with the lemur controller and that MIDI ribbon controller, plus the white (cotton?) gloves he was wearing (presumably...

Ewan Pearson & Sasse's new label Misericord is dedicated to this tempo; Al Usher's first release, the <I>Gnanfou</i> EP, definitely fits the bill. Also Isolée's <a href="http://www.discogs.com/release/138541">"It's About"</a> (Freundinnen) comes to mind...