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followed by... I meant to say "look at who's teaching and EXAMPLE" was closest to the truth... still... I do know about Jim Jones. I know a good deal about various religions. And Jim Jones' example clearly disqualified him. Fuck's sake. Meth habit. Mass suicides.

I didn't say the Jews weren't warlike themselves. I'm not even saying their way was neccesarily right. But I'm not going to romanticize pagans either, and neither should you if you're going to get so worked up about the things some "Christians" have done. And I don't know if I buy that about...

No I don't. But it's not like Christian nations are marauding others now. And the Iraq War isn't an example because that wasn't sincerely motivated by ANY IDEAS OF THE BIBLE, as was any previous war. And the gay-bashers have forgotten the "he who is without sin..." thing. So again, not...

Not everyone who reasonably admits the possibility of a higher power is a fundie. but I'm just not going to be the rabid, intolerant, fundie-equivalent of an atheist either. The hate on this thread is like the atheist version of those "God Hates Fags" assholes. But if you studied Christ's...

the curse on Cain thing never implicated black people obv, this was just a racist excuse. Nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity. No, when all people act hateful they're acting "savage", I also implicated Christian cultures have also acted savagely. Humanity is savage when it acts...

listening to some of the Zorn stuff on youtube, nice Definitely will have to seek more of this stuff out. And Arabic Jazz... man. Been addicted to Turkish Psych for a while, good stuff. Those modes slay me.

I'm intrigued. will have to a google blog-search for some of these albums... are these along Free or Fusion lines?

I do feel you there. The OT was always somewhat of a problem for me as well. :confused: my understanding is that society just wasn't advanced enough for a looser, more tolerent message to work at the time. A more open message of love probably wasn't really a viable option until the Roman...

people were utter savages back then though. it's not like they were tolerent or civil, minding their own business. All tribes continually invaded and enslaved other tribes, there were human sacrifices, etc. Jesus was actually the first one to come in and counter all that and erase tribal...

...but more specifically, your criticisms of Jesus are based on this premise that there is no God or truth. Which you don't know any more than I do. And honestly, I am yet to see one thing flawed with anything Jesus supposedly ever did or said myself. Not always things I want to hear, but...

*sigh*... where to start... the universe exploded out of nothing that's totally absurd. science will never explain it. so there very well may be a God. We don't know... but... maybe. which means it's possible that there have been teachers, and/or a Messiah that could have been speaking...

Nice to see Low End Theory get some attention there... they do have an exciting thing going. There's been something happening out here, first with the Jungle and Dubstep undergrounds merging (although L.A. Dubstep and L.A. DnB are basically the same people anyway), and then their collective...

Wow, crazy. Yeah, out here in California I have seen a few flyers for "oldskool" nights, and I know there was a small following back then that somehow caught wind of Ardcore. Some of the Gabber djs out here I think first got into Hardcore through that stuff. But generally by the time rave...

I actually like you too, whatever. Don't agree with you about these journos, but it's all good, I find all this highly amusing for some reason.

lol Hey remember the So Cal definition of bro? Like not meaning hippies, but those jock dudes from Orange County, Long Beach, or Inland Empire with tribal tattoos and short, bleached hair, blasting Sublime, Limp Bizkit, or RHCP out of their lifted trucks? They seem to have been replaced by...

the New Bromantics

Yeah... you're probably right, especially considering the lame addiction to guitars here. It'd be unlikely for 'Ardcore (just its first incarnation I mean) to get noticed by hipsters, ravers, Techno/House-heads, also because we just don't tend to take notice of things that had only happened...

I think maybe the only thing keeping the innovations of Hardcore/Nuum styles from being as revered and referenced as say, Kraut, Post Punk, Chicago House, Detroit Techno, whatever, is just that it hasn't been quite long enough yet for for its importance to sink in... maybe we need a few more...

Nice to hear you moved on. I should be off to teach in Europe, once I'm done taking my time with school, but people seem to get stuck here... maybe because most of their friends never leave. Never quite got why Orange County natives never venture out, but it seems to be a thing here. Yeah, I...