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Don’t be so literal! I’m playing but there is the aspect of misery acquiring it’s own gravitas over time, and the desire for our own subjugation and limits

They secretly or subconsciously desire it is my view

Luke also said somewhere else - like suspended just did - that he felt it his moral duty to renounce opportunities

I just mean that causality is there for someone in need of a certain attention validation and think he says so himself in a round about way

In this sense i sit between you and gus i dont fully believe you didnt want it and i dont believe he really knows what he wants

The accidental angle is a perspective. if you look at a whole life and trace some of the reasons behind indecision, not wanting to commit, fear of succees or failure, plain laziness, sometimes those things have intention and real desire behind them, theyre wished for

he was abandoned as a child

Your lament and suspended's boast are opposing reactions to the prevalence of the cuck meme, or the myth of self made man

In what ways do you feel you've let yourself be led? by who?

And of course there’s such a comfort to it - thank fuck I’m out of my own shapeless mulch and can play around in this script

I realise this thread was initially about patois and now I’m talking about patter like the Glaswegian for craic but anyway

There are maybe children who are raised to believe that all their thoughts are important and others who have to compete to be heard, that’s the start of it. The lack of patter is most pronounced in beautiful people of course, for obvious reasons

I don’t agree but Performance anxiety, shy. Makes sense considering his music and interviews

And insults as the highest form of affection at times

I think a lot about the right balance of patter and the pressure to be good craic. How it restricts men especially. You definitely want to avoid being a complaining dullard and not peppering your complaints with humour. But you also can’t be trying to be funny all day that’s tragic and...

I’ve no desire to go back to again because it’s plot reliant

I ate it up at the time but it’s cheap isn’t it. It’s nowhere near the sophisticated worlds of the wire or sopranos where you can dip in at any point. That granny puncher dubstep car scene is so bad. Sopranos had these jarring deviations too I suppose, I’m thinking about Paulie and the Hail Mary...

Because of the way it’s buried the later stuff doesn’t get attention. Maybe because it’s not packaged as songs or in album but is definitely some of his best

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