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In the hope of kicking off an Ego Trip type set list of grime lists... Here's my top ten Grime MCs of all time (well, erm since 2002 at least): 1. Dizzee Rascal - at his best, his sense of rhythm and rhyme is just poetry (see 'Stop Dat' & 'Vexed') 2. Wiley - I love that stream of consicousness...

It is depressing. I know and often meet people with these kinds of beliefs but somehow seeing it in writing, knowing that people have actually been bothered enough to make the effort to type such pathetic nastiness makes it seem worse.

Well this is it, I agree with freedom of speech and Badness is entitled to his opinion at least (even if it is depressing, lowest common denominator drivel) but same ways we're entitled to air him too, that's our right; I'm not going to say that I won't buy any of his products (i.e. CDs or...

Again, I wasn't referring to you personally, I had broadsheet music critics in general more in mind. I think this is an interesting debate (to which you've contributed) and what I thought dissensus was all about - I don't think anyone has so far suggested that you need to shut up.

Yes, and the idea that music can only be validated by the 'meaning' of it's content is nonsense. You could argue that most art is essentially concerned with the same things, again and again, the innovation is in in finding new ways to express it. This is why I find it annoying when critics harp...

I wasn't slurring you personally as a racist: I directly referred in my post to "the perception...that it (grime) boils down to young black males banging on about guns & bitches" which yes, I would maintain is informed by racism. How else do you explain people dismissing a music which they've...

Yes, I agree, lazy dismissive racist sterotypes could be one of the reasons why the music doesn't sell very well.

It Ain't A Game It's included on Jammer's collection 'The Classics: Destruction Volume One'. I think you can still get it in Uptown & the rest.

I've just heard Trim's Soulfood Volume Two and it's got two more potential motivational classics - 'Confidence Boost' and 'I Don't Dance Much' both of which I found quite moving. This volume might even be better than the first.

Grime Motivational Classics 'Stand Up Tall' Dizzee Rascal 'I'm Just Being Me' JME & DaVinche 'Chosen One' Target & Riko 'Pick Ur Self Up' Wiley (infact the 'Treddin On Thin Ice' LP as whole is a very uplifting positive album - check 'Reasons', 'I've Got Somebody Now' & 'I Was Lost' - it's all...

Probably the greatest musical epiphany of my life was when I was eleven years old and I saw the video to 'Night Of The Living Bassheads' on Rapido, Def 2. That was so powerful, although I've not seen it since and I'm not sure what impact it would have now. See - I'm an old bastard too!

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Photek was one of the masters. The only tunes that I would add as essential to those already mentioned are 'Jump' & 'Presha III' (as Studio Pressure) and his 2003 remix of M.I.S.T.'s 'How You Make Me Feel' (heavy, heavy b-line).

Stars (a/k/a I've Got Lyrics) & Fly Boy have both already been released on white label, although the 'Fly Boy' one is the original version (the one that appeared on Tunnel Vision). I'm sure you can still pick them up some where.

Rest assured my friend, don't be ashamed about it and trust your musical instincts instead. So Solid may have turned into a bit of a joke but tracks like 'Dilema', 'Oh No!', 'They Don't Know', '21 Seconds' and Oxide & Neutrino's 'Bound 4 Da Reload' are all classics of the form and had a big...

Or a heavy drinker. Or if you ate too many kebabs.

I think the 'rushed' quality of Wiley's 2006 output is actually what can make it so engaging; the Tunnel Vision series is like a condensed pirate radio session, there's some crap on there for sure but when it's hype the energy levels are upped. No other grime MC does that whole stream of...

What's poppin? My guess would be that Racist People is the offending track since it has more in common with hip hop.

What Rap cameos on RnB tracks aren't superfluous? At least he get's his lame contribution out of the way early. I like this though, much prefer it to all those recent Timbaland pop tracks. Hasn't she bitten Wiley's Umbrella concept though?

Does that make Dissensus a grime forum? Have the grimists hijacked the forum or is it because grime is still the most interesting music scene around? Are we putting people not interested in grime off?