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nothing i'd listen to, but i'm not going to diss it. more indie kids getting excited by grime and wanting to chime in with it. if these kids did just straght grime without and indie/rave/whatever spin on it, they wouldn't be looked at or listened to twice, so what they're doing is obviously...

i like sov cause i get that she's more of a character/style thing then a mc's mc. there's no reason to diss professor green though, he's a hip-hop mc with skill that far surpasses lady sov's (and i'm not even really a professor green fan, just sayin)

exactly, this is helping prove my point. there was something about those first ukg tunes that hinted at grime-to-come (pulse x, oh no, etc) that just begged for someone to spit bars of brittish slang on it. would it sound the same with an american mc on it? no way, i wouldn't even think of it...

Chris, i'm not sure if i read the working class immigrant roots thing, but you're sort of on track with me. it seems that american producers are attracted to the extremities of the music like the kneckbreak-fast breaks and insane basslines and they don't really get the actual style and culture...

pitching a record down is obviously not groundbreaking, but what dj screw & company did in the 90's was actually open up the turntable and change the pitch range so the -8/+8 range was much lower. he would then make full mixes of slowed (screwed) hiphop while cutting them heavily (chopped). they...

now i don't understand the functionality of music? that's a bit harsh considering i'm asking to be proven wrong in this thread. i don't understand what is so wrong with what i'm saying

alot of good points. like i said, i'm not dissing starkey (i think his "grip riddim" is great and kano sounds right at home on it, so that's as authentic as you can get!) or drop the lime, i'm just putting it up for discussion. i remember blackdown saying something in his blog about how he was...

i'm just sayin no garage producer would ever do this: that's not grime to me. it's something else.

maybe i'm being to leisurely with the labels, but when i meant guys like drop the lime and starkey. i'm not saying that those artists in themselves are bad, i'm just sayin the feel of the brittish stuff can't be captured. i'm from the states and try producing as well, so i'm not putting anybody...

i think the problem with both drum n bass AND dubstep grime producers in the states is they perceive the music as being extreme. it seemed like the drum n bass guys (like all the f-111 artsts) went too fast and hard to where it was almost gabber-like and the dubstep producers seem to go too...

holy shit. is anybody feeling this track as much as me? i hope dubstep goes in this direction for a bit. really intense, melodramatic.

rakim raekwon ghostface big daddy kane krs one (even though i loathe him now) q tip eric sermon jay z nas biggie mos def kool g rap new guys: lil wayne, clipse, kano, tinchy, remy ma

any chance of a reup of that abstract 2step mix? thanks

yes, i've heard of disassociate. when i lived in ny for a year, i worked at tower records and i believe a member of the band was a buyer there. i didn't really know him though.

Raybeez RIP mos definitely. thankfully, i saw warzone 2 or 3 times and met Ray, he was a chill guy. Me and Don Fury definitely went at it in the studio haha. He told us lots of cool stories about ny bands. He also said he was a member of Twisted Sister for a couple days, which i actually...

hi, my band is gonna be touring europe this july, and i'll be in england for a few days. what are some shops i should definitely check out for grime/ukg records? Jul 13 2006 8:00P LONDON LONDON, ENGLAND Jul 14 2006 8:00P DURHAM CITY AMATEUR ROWING CLUB DURHAM, ENGLAND Jul 15 2006 8:00P...

my band recorded with don fury twice (the guy who recorded pretty much every nyhc record). i actually used the same drums that raybeez played on the united blood 7" and were also used on alot of other records. anybody catch leeway since they've been playing out again? i saw them at cb's and...

well, keep in mind all of that was going on in the early to mid-80's in LES NYC. i think they definitely grew out of their sketchiness, and if you've ever talked to any of them, you'd know not to take any of their politics very serious (for a couple reasons). more nyhc greats: outburst...

definitely love dc hardcore, but nyhc does it for me. cro-mags, straight ahead, leeway, agnostic front, etc.

questioning wether burial is dubstep or not is over-trivializing a magnificent album that evokes emotions and vibes other dubstep artists have merely touched on so far.