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the one to get is Fantastic Vol 2, fabulous album

It is quite amusing to me that various big-name bloggers who would normally be virulently opposed to this kind of thing have for who knows what reasons decided to approve this... it's nice enough--I like this kind of thing fine, myself--but what exactly separates it from Jay Dee especially--who...

Just get The Compass Point Sessions. All her stuff with the Sly & Robbie band, including the dubs. Awesome.

<i>Yes, the difference between Jay-z and Crunk is the difference between well thought out art and barely acceptable noise with guttural screaming for effect and simple, vulgar call and response hooks. </i> You're an idiot. "One"

ok, so maybe i exaggerated slightly for effect (although I might go check my facts... just got done with Can't Stop Won't Stop and that definitely made a big point of Sylvia Robinson and co being interlopers)... however I was going to throw Lady Sovereign in there but refrained cos I didn't want...

<i>if it's as you say then funk is just a form of jazz, disco is just a form of funk, and techno is just a form of disco</i> uh, the formal differences are way stronger in all those cases. anyway, whatever. <i>If you want to compare to hiphop it took two decades and a LOT of change, figuring...

<i>And no. unless you have been to a live genuine grime event, not some shoreditch/old street showcase, you would have no comprehension of what the music is about.</i> Ah, <i>that</i> old line. Same as "you can't judge this techno track unless you've heard on it a club sound system, man." Or...

that's a pretty weak definition personally, i don't think grime is distinctive enough to be considered truly separate from hip-hop. yes, that argument is boring, doesn't really matter at the end of the day, all sorts of great reasons why it should have a different name and be treated...

<i>i.e., a slow cultivation of the subterranean soil, not a pop explosion i.e., maybe grime will simply take its place alongside reggae (dancehall) and hip hop as music of the urban streets, w/ grime the sound of urban london and other uk urban areas, hip hop for the various american cities...

that's too much for me to bother responding too, but i'll just note that i did not say anything about "white middle-class hipsters," i just said hipsters. i understand why you might overread that, but on this occasion i wasn't really bringing race into it. i will say, however, don't believe...

<i>and i hope you're not suggesting that validation by certain others is a sign of a music's worth?</i> oh no, i'm not obsessed with the idea that a 'certain' producer stole his style from jungle... but isn't it funny how people are endlessly wondering whether grime can 'make it' in the...

ps does timbaland even have double-time programming? really? where? isn't it just that he has jittery beats, and drum 'n' bass has jittery beats, and there's a superficial similarity there... always remember mr. reynolds claiming that get ur freak on was a drum 'n' bass ripoff, but really, if...

<i>the reason he kept vehmently denying he had even HEARD drum & bass was cos he didnt want anyone thinking his most famous early innovation (the double time programming) was inspired by something already out there.</i> that's entirely speculation. one could just as easily argue that the...

<i>Supposedly he's commented about Bush: "We are both gangsters."</i> He said this in a feature in American GQ. It's actually a fantastic piece, because it shows the events of the day leading up to the MTV Music Awards, at which 50 and his posse got in a brawl with Fat Joe's crew. Basically...

PS Since this has gotten a bit heated, which is somewhat my fault, let me just say that I enjoyed your piece on History of Violence very much.

<i>So you are now retreating from your earlier claim that hip hop's boorishness etc is justifiable because it gets people out of the ghetto?</i> Twisting the words again... I wasn't claiming that it was "justifiable." (For a start, that would imply that I think there's something bad there to be...

Are you talking to me? If you are, you haven't understood what I'm saying.

<i>Sticking a toilet in a gallery is not universally perceived as innovative! Let alone disco, hip hop...</i> Eh, you're splitting hairs here. The reaction might be acclaim or revulsion--actually, that's kind of a marker of formal innovation, there's no wishy-washyness about the way you respond...

<i>Yes, well, obv. innovation is rarely universally perceived (old man re any dance music: "it's just repetitive banging sounds innit"). As I said what I think Le Cont is doing that is inventive and unusual is fairly subtle</i> Actually, my definition of formal innovation would be when it...

<i>are you saying it can't EVEN do that, or that it can do MORE than that?</i> Eh, I just don't think about music in these terms. In itself, it's not an engine for social change, lottery-model or otherwise. <i>the panthers.... Malcolm X.... are they all middle class?</i> Huey P. Newton and...