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    Sex and sensuality

    actually i think the baby d track is very "warm," though again, not oriented to sex if you need a sexy jungle song, maybe something like bad girl's "bad girl" on ibiza? or desiya's "comin on strong"
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    new underground resistance is amazing

    "eye of the storm" and "g-force" but i say this having lost track of them in mid-90s and i'm pretty keen to check out their new stuff, based on silverdollar's remarks
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    Sex and sensuality

    also . . .. sha-lor, "i'm in love" instant house, "over" really, people could probably list an endless number of house tracks for this thread
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    Sex and sensuality

    yes but don't forget "sensuous woman goes disco" -- which is rather campy, but at same time deeply hedonistic and all about sex and really, there's all kinds of chicago tracks (and other house tracks) that are sexy -- that was the whole point of the music!!! keisha jenkins -- "don't need a...
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    so, will Wiley be with Roll Deep in nyc friday???

    really? i didn't hear them say that . . . . so i had the impression they just suddenly stopped and walked off at first drop of rain (plus my uk friend is a manc, so "we" interpret the actions of cockneys in worst light possible) seriously, if that was all they were scheduled to do and had...
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    so, will Wiley be with Roll Deep in nyc friday???

    looks like Cooper went to Knitting Factory show, whereas as I (being the cheap geezer that i am) went to east river amphitheater show nonetheless, i thought i'd comment on his comments . . . . definitely! -- he's like the ringer in the group -- very freaky -- i liked him a lot wiley was...
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    new underground resistance is amazing

    "eye of the storm" is an all-time favorite of mine i need to check their new stuff but yeah, i think dance music is going to go back in this direction
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    so, will Wiley be with Roll Deep in nyc friday???

    just got back from east river amphitheater kano's set was by far the most impressive -- he really laid it on the line, totally went for it -- it was kano and some other guy, and they had their own dj -- they rapped non-stop, in that high cockney accent, clipped staccato delivery -- w/ hardcore...
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    The realisation that you don't really like house music much any more...

    another weird wrinkle is that most of the guys who pioneered the shelter sound were straight = timmy regisford, etc but the really dark chicago stuff -- which crossed over w/ straight europeans -- was made by gay people though all in all, the scene was more mixed than i'm perhaps suggesting...
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    The realisation that you don't really like house music much any more...

    then why "caution" me if you know i didn't mean it that way? rather, if people want to know why house has become so "gentrified" or so sonically "european," then i think you have to consider, first, that gay blacks have kept to the traditionalist shelter sound within the confines of house, and...
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    What is the West?

    moving on to culture . . . . you might say that the west is the culture that values individual life -- the integrity of each life -- as represented by figure of jesus christ -- i.e., the divine principle taken flesh, and the god figure who redeems all mankind and then this culminates in the...
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    What is the West?

    of course i gave you a geographical definition, when you were probably seeking a cultural or political definition!!!
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    What is the West?

    i'd say the entire Western Hemisphere, plus Western Xiandom, increasingly Eastern Xiandom (excepting eastern xian countries that have islamic majorities), plus Australia and New Zealand and i'd also say that "african" music and style is, to borrow your phrase, a big-ticket item in modern...
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    cocoa beware! mix on east village radio

    click here for a mix by cocoa beware! on east village radio -- doing a guest spot yesterday (8/10) on the "out of range" show -- and once you're on that page look for the line that says, "listen to most recent show here" cocoa beware! runs nublu records and sometimes djs at the fugari parties...
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    The realisation that you don't really like house music much any more...

    getting back to the timeline . . . . stonewall was in the late 60s -- thereby allowing for the blossoming of gay culture in the 70s and i'd say that mid-70s saw a kind of vogue for gay culture and clubs across america and then AIDS brought an end to this -- such that height of homophobia was...
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    The realisation that you don't really like house music much any more...

    carribean blacks have a weird third position (in usa)
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    The realisation that you don't really like house music much any more...

    yes, but don't you think that maybe the gay black underground had a kind of cohesiveness in the 1970 to 1990 period that it perhaps lost afterwards -- again, i'm SPECULATING openly -- but let's say stonewall allows for the emergence of a gay black dance culture clearly marked off from black...
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    The realisation that you don't really like house music much any more...

    the hypotheses were my own, if sparked by a misunderstanding of your position and admittedly the hypotheses were half baked -- i.e., i said i was grabbing at straws
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    The realisation that you don't really like house music much any more...

    yeah -- it's a bit of a mystery to me perhaps there were certain conditions that obtained from, say, 1970 to 1990 that allowed for a cohesive black gay dance community -- a community that was at the cutting of edge of music during those years, from early disco through the first phases of...
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    The realisation that you don't really like house music much any more...

    brilliant argument! so what about my other question, which is why hasn't there been a new gay black american music movement? that is, cannot the hardcore continuum be explained *politically* as a series of attempts by black british people to open up new ground to occupy once a zone of music...
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