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I keep remembering how so many Dizzee interviews for US in the US or even for Giggs involves them reflecting on Black Americans saying "Oh I didn't know they had black people there." and the small rage they have to suppress. That sense of invalidity.

Where's that bizarre John Cleese tweet about how he doesn't consider London a part of England? Grime inherently is saddled with the perspective of being alien.

"Instrumental Grime Culture" predated them but there was most certainly an issue where they took great pride in avoiding contact with MCs outside of the rare exceptions such as P or Trim. Not a BAD Decision but one that had consequences because it was reminiscent of the eternal war in dubstep to...

Web/Odai brings up a good point. "Council Estate Culture" is clearly designed to back away from the idea that Grime is a black thing, and there's a bizarre sort of attempt by certain white people involved with grime to insist they're quite necessary and have always been inherently allowed, that...

Big H was a voyeuristic fantasy. When younger (whiter) grime fans came to grime relatively later in it's years... The period where I'm sure a lot of people who were older would consider it if not dead than proven 'finite', that audience came to it without the comprehension of garage or MC...

Sickboy which, the name says it all really.

<iframe width="727" height="409" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/im6iGZ9L-ZE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> When Wiley screamed about people thinking they need to be like Smack DVD he was right to...

"German Whip" is great, I won't stand for it. Dan made better grime than Big H ultimately would, and he used to only be able to rhyme his name repeatedly. The Big H era was a dark phase of Grime. Not his actual peak MCing which obviously Skepta and JME would ravage and harvest for their own...

Oh no I'm calling grindcore extreme music there. Neither of the other examples fit unless you wanna be super generous with breakcore.

Big Narstie doesn't count because his musical career was a consistent failure. He pivoted into being a celebrity which is fair because he was bad at being a musician. Still is to be fair. Even his best musical moment is the Craig David feature where it's very much an assembled Narstie...

FUCK I never realized he's got a Masonic ring photoshopped on for his book cover. I gotta read this thing.

<iframe width="545" height="409" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/sq7n0TNZWOk" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> "Bullet for share & caring" Maudlin and melodramatic in a way few can manage, like...

1 & 3 yes, 2 no but there's enough typically to ruin any arguments for defeating that notion because of extreme music's conservatism.

For the record I'm only half joking that I want Odai (WebEsch) to step up here and try to tackle this. I know I have nothing intelligent to say with this prompt so I'm avoiding just satiating my ego here and waiting outside the game. I also agree Luke shouldn't have to be the guy to suddenly...

This reminds me of hearing an older person say people in the US who were older tried to rationalize the success of the Spice Girls by saying how each girl was a commodification of someone who was already an 'alt' celebrity a la Shirley Manson or Kate Moss. A lot of grasping at straws to quantify...

This is an incredibly Wiley moment.

Mel C was always good at that weird sense of combining the themes of devotion in a pseudo-spiritual sense and romantically. The big eurotrance hit she had perfectly demonstrates that. <iframe width="545" height="409" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/paRm86O3YC8" frameborder="0"...

Odai it's your time.

Boy George is gonna die by 2020. The script has been sitting on a desk waiting for his passing.

Damn I really made the Tommy Lee remark so recently, feels like forever somehow. <iframe width="727" height="409" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zEXiAOUTlbs" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> I fell in...