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Well, EBM is eighties music. I don't know what you mean with crunchy goth techno, but if it's Mover-style doom/gloom-core, then I've never heard of any goths being into it. As excellent as The Horrorist was, gothic rave never took off. This is true, but except for electronica goth, which I've...

Technology have never been more widely available than it is now, much much more so than in the early nineties, and yet, things are moving incredibly slow compared to back then, so I won't buy the availabilty thing. And really, did all the new (and old) technology that the rave scene used cause...

I think there's a reason, not usually recognized, for things not really moving right now: there's simply evolutionary limits to how much a style of music can develop. Rock had more or less exhausted it's possibilites by the mid eighties (J&MC again), and even if electronic music have a few more...

Actually, I'd even say that worshipping the eighties is an essential part of being a goth today. If they moved on, they wouldn't be goths anymore.

I wouldn't put my money on it. I happen to know a lot of more-or-less-goth people, and they're simply obsessed with the eighties, they're usually not even aware rave happened. Well, I actually think very few young people today are. But anyway, dark angsty goth disco... wasn't this exactly what...

I have this odd slovenian compilation from 1984 (just on the border of the timespan I'll admit) called 84 - a kind off Orwell concept thing, it seems, pretty impressive considering it was made in Yugoslavia. It contain a lot of derivative-sounding postpunk, so there even was an impact in eastern...

I second Laibachs Let it Be-LP As for "electronica", maybe Yellow Magic Orchestras Day Tripper?

Do anyone remember the early Yokota, when he was making trance/acid/chill out? Frankfurt Tokyo Connection and especially Zen remain some of my favorite albums from that era, and I actually like them better than anything he have made since (even if I like some of that too). Not to fond of him...

Damm is better known from his countless pseudonyms: Biochip C, Speed Freak, Steel, Search & Destroy, Phase IV, Cyberchrist, Subsonic 808, RIC etc. What is so amazing about him is his ability to cover almost all kinds of rave and techno music, keeping a perfect balance between scenius...

Martin Damm Alec Empire Patric Catani Marc Acardipane The greatest musicians of the nineties.

Estonia is too small for it to be realistic I think, Ukraine's much better. Or better yet - White Russia (what's it called in english, Belarus or something?). In that case it could be an underground sound in opposition to the oppressive regime. + the country is practically one big industrial...

Well, I'm from Denmark, so obviously we can get confused as well. I wasn't really sure which it was, but since I didn't know the english word for "norden", and I didn't have a dictionary with me, so I just hoped the best. In any case, eastern europe it aint.

Not really, it's scandinavia. Though eastern scandinavia. In addition to Panasonic you could mention 22 Pistepirkko and composers like Merikanto and Klaami. Sibelius made some good stuff too, even if he also made some crap (well, I suppose Merikanto and Klaami could have made some crap as well...

I'd say Front 242 definitely made cold rush music on some of their earliest, most minimally militaristic records, like the Endless Riddance EP or No Comment, an album foreshadowing both gloomcore and techstep. Tracks like 'Special Forces' and 'S.Fr. Nomenklatura' have this kind of ice cold...

It contain both electronics as well as acoustic instruments, most of them played by Roedelius himself. There's some cello and violin contributions, but no string quartet, and it's very far from a "chamber ensemble" record. The saxophones of later Roedelius records really suck, but luckily...

Hmm, nobody have mentioned Geschenk des Augenblicks yet... by far my favorite Roedelius. Many of the later ones got too sentimental for me, but this one has jut the right combination of sweet sadness and dream-like strangeness. As for records having the same introspective effect as...

OK, the Residents. I remeber I saw one of their videos (It's a mans mans mans mans world) when I was still a kid, and it totally blew me away - for a long time I drew "residents men" (in white suits and with eyeball heads) without even knowing who they were. I didn't catch their name with that...

Unfortunately I haven't got the time right now to go into detail with this (I'd like to give some descriptions of my favorite residents albums), but let me just say that I don't understand AT ALL how anyone could feel that their music is unlistenable. Most of it is totally melodic, almost pop...

Well, it's quite understandable then. It just seemed like such a shame to me if Reynolds word is the only thing deciding if a record is checked out or not. It wasn't aimed at you but rather at the whole attitude that sometimes creep into parts of this forum. As much as I admire Reynolds...

Well, an element maybe. But the point is more that everybody seems to think these records are amazing, and I've never been amazed by them, and I know Reynolds love them too, so I'm interested in hearing some (I hope) in depth analysis of what is supposed to be so great. Maybe I'll get some...