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aw man...poor lee. he put his heart out there on the walls! not to mention the trains. style legend. that whole bike ride round america thing was a bit much though...he is a bit of a tit isn't he :slanted: this is a little to the left but that thing brown does with his jaw is starting to really...

haha, oh dear. nothing makes the English angrier than entitlement.

my guess is you've scored all these out of ten or something, which means just a bit of hunting for appropriate photographs and you could easily spin this into a set of hip hop top trumps.

I'm arguing nothing. it's you who has an argument- you weighed in with the happy assertion that tactics was talking "bollocks", since when you've underread every post contributed and tried to drag the discussion to the absolutes you are comfortable with. but it isn't about absolutes or...

this really made me laugh :D yes...sure...you're judging this by the same kind of criteria people usually apply to these lists etc. to try and get beyond pure subjectivity but that results in a bunch of shitty music being included, at least in my opinion. popularity is always a tricky criterion...

they were... well... entertaining i spose :slanted: kid n play?

Exactly the 29th greatest hip hop group ever- THE FAT BOYS????? come on dart. this is just getting silly now.

Thankyou sick boy tactics never drew any direct equivalence, though i realise it suits your collective argument to push it this way. he just contextualised things. so we can all revel free of responsibility in this lawless, violent universe as a fiction until we hear the word faggot. then...

Add Burzum as the soundtrack and that's just a typical night in for vimothy ;) If you haven't read Memoirs of My Nervous Illness it's well worth having a look at.

i don't concur myself and i'm not speaking for tactics, but i don't think he was defending anything, just questioning why some things should be taboo and others not. whether you think it's bollocks or not, it's at least provocative. many if not most listeners of grime, gangsta rap etc derive a...

scientologists are just constantly on the end of it at the moment ;) Daniel Schreber?

i think it was kind of emotive :o rather than reasoned that's what it took to get tactics out of retirement :D reclamation or not....why should it be all about context? it's worth bringing to the table at least- it's his personal perspective. newham gens show w/ tubby was good this week...

big, i'd love to get along to this. those members only edits are fucked

i believe tactics is questioning our grime listeners upthread being squeamish of homophobia but not ,as he says, the "n" word or the constant references to criminality, violence etc.

verdicts being the warp and woof of the aesthetic experience ;) , absolute judgments like this- along with these best of lists etc.- are near pejorative as they allow no room for variance. they are only functional discursively as points of potential disagreement. it's too subjective to be a one...

i agree- new york hip hop was never the same afterwards. though i like "unbelievable" and " who shot ya"

ha, i had "munchies for your bass". what was i thinking?

Rakim = the Citizen Kane of hip hop how about a T.W.A.T list- The Wackest of All Time be more of a challenge to put together

the hip house revival gathers pace! sounds like doug lazy goes eurobag ;)

I want to see these two as well now! going to have to buy the dvd there. I enjoyed hell house. ulrich siedl's tierische liebe is another jawdropper. finally got hold of that recently. forgot about morris' vernon florida, and also i saw an affecting swedish doc of teen delinquents a few years...