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Exactly, men lose out just as much as women do, and possibly even bigger in some respects, when you have a gender "binary" system. Your examples are much better than Grizzles'.

Oh jeez...if Charles Olson says it, it must be true! First, I don't care what context you put those quotations in, they're still a bunch of garbage. Second, Dorthy Parker is witty. Oscar Wilde is witty. Andrea Dworkin makes weak arguments that come from weak standpoints and attempts to make...

Sure, of course. See, gender stereotyping was something the 2nd wave hadn't learned to turn the dialectic on entirely yet. They had a couple of pet peeves when it came to basic stereotypes of women as unintelligent or docile, but a statement like Dworkin's about seduction is telling...

Oh how I wish I had a copy of Intercourse so I could post a list of the choicest quotes from it. Here are a few of her best in general: O it is is it? Chuckle. Lulzzzz. Speak for yourself. With on the first part but then...Erm...okkaayy. This is a flat out lie, and she's too smart not...

Some of the first books to go when Canada passed the MacKinnon/Dworkin legislation on obscenity/porn were ... you guessed it ... Dworkin's books themselves. Beyond those, guess who the main targets were of these new laws? Gay and lesbian book distributors. Not mainstream porn outlets. Not...

Grizzle, yes, gender roles reelly used to benefit people a long time ago, when we lived a different way, in pre-history, about 100,000 years ago. Now, not so much. In what sense does a postively charged proton get "parlayed" into power? It doesn't. I don't really understand what you're asking...

Patriarchy does not just equal men. Everyone is implicated in patriarchy. It's no one individual or group's fault. It's a tradition that can be traced back centuries. We all need to participate in change, for the mutual benefit of everyone. It certainly will benefit men as well as women to do...

Don't even try to trot out these lame Bill O'Reillyisms here because they won't work. The fact that men kill each other is not an excuse for their killing of women. Your logic is spurious. These are separate issues, but both are ultimately related to patriarchy and its structural tendency...

Nonprofits not included in bill to their chagrin.

Wow Christmas, that's fun...(thnx btw).

It was, and it often seems that (at this rate, esp) it will be forever. It's just a metaphor that works. I tried explaining what I meant without recourse to this sort of explanation, but that wasn't good enough for you. I don't think that this language is any more or less fanciful than talking...

haha! I wouldn't have guessed from that but yes I will read some of her poetry. bell hooks is an interesting case--she has her twee new ageisms and moments of metaphysical grandiosity that sort of repulse me, but as far as understanding culture goes, I think she's aces. She's really good at...

Well, they were honest questions... I understand Poetix was explicating Lourde's work, but I don't think what she believes passes a cursory "is this similar to Heideggerian crypto-fascism?" test... which is a problem for me. I strongly disagree with what I've read so far of Lourde's worldview...

They are necessarily lower in rape, incest, child abuse, and many other female-victimizing criminal behaviors. Yup, exactly. Not difficult to understand, was it?

Yes you have, several times in this thread--you've correlated sex with male power over and over. You've never (once, that I've seen, anywhere) correlated this same sort of sexual power with women. People are talking about the fact that in a vast network or system of exchange, women exist as...

You're still missing the point. The point is not to move to a literal structural governmental matriarchy. The point of looking at matriarchy (and the reasons why rape is less common there, sexual equality is more easily achieved politically, and such) is as a point of reference, a place to take...

Sorry, no. Just busy. Matriarchal simply means a form of society that a) is not centered around monotheism, b) does not exclude women from prominent positions of power, c) has no history of oppressing women and excluding them from landownership, priesthood, scholarship, etc., d) where women...

Here, Mr. Tea. I have class soon, I don't have time to wade through 500 page textbook pulling out examples of matriarchal societies. A google search should suffice. Lourde might well be brilliant, but you wouldn't know it from that chapter. That was some Oprah book club caliber inanity, right...

Yes, of course, there are patriarchal societies in the East, too. So what's your point?

This is an interesting connection to make...