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i mean Big Beat was't just so much "instrumental hip hop" as it was beefed up hardcore made in mind to try and get alt rock listeners to get into electronic music but not THAT much of a leap away from what was familiar to them. so lets keep it a buck its not like say just UK hip hop was affected...

and to bring it back to the topic of this server i think the reason alot of people who wanted to be rappers but decided not to is because they cringe at the sight of these guys including some of the names you mention who are considered the best rappers out of the UK because they see too much of...

ok they might be talented but do they have the songs to back it up? which is always the problem with battle rappers i mean battle rap now is just a struggle to watch (UK and US) they don't even feel like battles more guys just reciting spoken word pieces with gun punchlines

those 4 you bring up are all UK hip hop as far as i'm concerned and outside of a fire in the booth freestyle you're not gonna see this lot on any of the major platforms on youtube

and like somebody else pointed out @qwerty south this is something now with drill that alot of those UK hip hop guys are pissed and bitter about because the aim was to make our own homegrown native version of rap culture from the US, 20 years have passed now we've got it and their completly cut...

it laid the foundation but it's completly divorced from "the culture" that built it yeah there was alot of it on Channel U but you try to covince people there's a clear link between say Phi Life Cypher and Moscow17 or say Lewis Parker and Central Cee. The thing with UK hip hop is that aswell as...

fam dem basements must've been LIVE though

they bring up this album as an early pivotal influence and i can hear it i also get clipping vibes from them aswell, the "experimental hip hop" group that has Daveed Diggs as one of its members @Clinamenic i could see you loving clipping if you're not aware of them

just came across this lot earlier today Florida rap duo whose influences seem to be all the "nuum shit that's the bedrock of so many people on here (one interview i've read they even mentioned the ruff sound ting that Novelist was trying to push for a while), this might be the most dissensus...

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i mean if they're a cut above the average in UK hip hop that's really not saying alot lol and yeah they have 20 albums but there's rappers who have done that now just to show that they could do it. even some of the high focus guys have embraced whats happening currently as far as underground...

no idea what this is about or connected to but ok

another harsh reminder that white people are their own worst enemies if you ask me

Its this sort of thinking why SOMEHOW all even now 2000s underground/backpack rap was just used as this entry way for people to get into and around rap music. Into in as far as that stuff was definitly rap and the people making it engage with the culture and maybe abide to that archaric idea of...

going back to those Goldie Lookin Chain songs qwerty posted its like.....i don't like them but this yet again reaffirms my point about how certain people end up listening to rap acts like these guys where they're using the kind basic flows early 80s rap flows that you only hear in like TV sitcom...

i mean its no better than the lyrics in that Professor Elemental song

@padraig (u.s.) Jarman...Jarman's odd for me i have alot of respect for him i thought Blue was incredible and i've got his book on colours Chroma but the issue for me with Jarman is like the England as depicted in his films is one that barely washes up on my shores. The stories and ideas he...

i got a better idea you've seen Happy together right? imagine that but with Stalone and Schwarzengger i'd watch that

yeah White Material is good you could argue its the bluntest film she's made but even then it's got those eliptical qualities Weirdly i remember one guy talking about that Ridley Scott movie the counseller where he said his biggest problem with that movie is that the characters keep talking...