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well, Cort Nielsen and Pederson have solid been Classics guys/stage hunters for years what I didn't foresee was Vingegaard's leap from super-domestique to true contender not that I was unaware of the possibility, it's just that that specific leveling up so rarely works out obv he's been...

quite a fair bit of 70s hard rock bizness still sounds heavy as a ton of bricks case in point stuff like this is why 70s hard rock, proto-doom, is still so heavily mythologized by long-bearded Electric Wizard types pretty silly/awesome proto-metal cover art as well

I'd put them more in the proto-noise rock post-hardcore lineage - No Trend, Scratch Acid, etc but since that is also basically an offshoot of Flipper, yes the singer was also in one of the 3 or 4 greatest hardcore bands ever, Negative Approach

btw I've never been a big Sunn O))) fan but I'll defend them against this "they're too knowing, too art, too bourgeois gatekeeper-approved" line they're definitely more art dudes than yr Sleep and Electric Wizard types but they've never pretended otherwise Southern Lord has put out or reissued...

the almighty Flipper in all their glory I once read an interview w/the guitar player where he discussed wringing everything possible from the dynamics of single chord or minimal chord changes that brings a weight to it like the shoegaze generation, tho in that case it is more the weight of...

80s hardcore punk similarly is often very intense but the antithesis of heavy all trebles, speed, teenage idiot energy, shrieking there is a tradition of heaviness of course - the Flipper lineage i.e. Flipper, post-My War Black Flag, Fang, etc - punks with hardcore mindset doing hardcore, but...

a very important thing to note is that heaviness != intensity, and vice versa i.e. a great deal of metal is, in fact, not really heavy. 80s speed and thrash metal, black metal as a general rule. for example, the canonical thrash metal song, Slayer at the very height of their powers in 1985...

speaking of Electric Wizard, the main dude famously claims lineage from 70s hard rock rather than doom metal per se i.e. (probably) their most famous song sounds quite like slowed-down Pentagram

I think I've sketched it before, the but history of guitar heavy basically goes 50s guys (Link Wray et al) -> the heavy psych end of garage rock -> Blue Cheer, Jimi -> Sabbath -> onward to the sonic limits as Bobby Liebling always said Pentagram was more inspired by Blue Cheer than Sabbath...

Sabbath isn't the ultimate heavy - the founders are always surpassed by devotees - but they are the sine qua non of heavy their first four LPs - really, Paranoid and Master of Reality - are the quintessential documents Sleep is essentially everything good about those 2 records compressed into...

dissensus people mostly only like heavy if it's weird or nominally fwd or etc, not for its own sake possibly in part bc heaviness isn't really the point of dance music deepness certainly can be but it's not quite the same thing, even when serious bass weight is involved you're trying to get...

not white rap, but white-rap adjacent Masta Ace (mistakenly) hears the High and Mighty dudes had talked shit about him, so brutally takes them to pieces "next year y'all be up at Rawkus, internin'" really says it all

if this was by some kool DT NYC art people instead of the guy from the Damned it would be hailed as a Rapture-type disco not disco classic the music is a pretty shameless Chic ripoff but again so were most rap backing tracks at the time a personal favorite, has that blazed dreamy disco-dub...

I think the rapping in a lot of that early 80s disco not disco stuff - i.e. Rapture - stands up quite well specifically it's not that far from contemporary rap proper - I think Kool Moe Dee was the only dude doing internal rhyme schemes etc at the time or going the other way rap itself was...

good call

Eminem pre-fame bonafides voice so nasal he almost sounds like Madlib doing Quasimoto

this describes every single element of American culture admittedly particularly prominent in rap for obvious reasons but equally true in sports, sex, literature, what have you

lotta the jungle guys, of all races, having originally been b-boys, ofc, i.e. DJ Hype

before - and after - they made great hardcore, The Criminal Minds were at the hardest and purest end of Britcore very much in the vein of Hijack etc not sure if they're all white but mostly, I believe skip head to to ~0:30 when the Cape Fear theme kicks in

Sidney Mintz's history of sugar, Sweetness and Power, has been on my to-read list years, should get around to that too at some point