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    why does england don't have a socialist party?

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    And the Blair-era revised Clause IV just managed to retain the word:

    The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.

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    It existed, but it's bigger now and I honestly don't think Labour are easily going to be able to bridge that gap, or get themselves to truly want to for that matter.

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    Could the generational split in the last election be a cause for hope, long-term, or are today's left-liberal students/young professionals simply tomorrow's Tories?

    Interesting article I thought (as someone who doesn't keep up with this stuff).

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/...bloody-furious

    "Generation Left remains, for the time being, disempowered and defeated. A Conservative government, tirelessly cheered on by a 20th-century newspaper industry, has been voted in by the massed ranks of the over-fifties. The question is whether, despite its recent successes, the Conservative Party is sitting on a ticking demographic time bomb. Culture war tactics may work in the short term, and may shore up support on the margins, but they are essentially defensive. They don’t offer much to a generation whose values are already cosmopolitan, internationalist and liberal, who despise Nigel Farage and what he stands for, regardless of whether or not they went to university. It is plausible that broadening home ownership – unlikely as that may be – could shift this generation’s political preferences to the right on economic issues (that was the hope behind David Cameron’s pitiful ‘help to buy’ scheme), but there is no reason to expect them to become more sympathetic to the views of Priti Patel or the Daily Mail as they get older."
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    Something that I think's been under-reported is that the age-old association between being middle-class and voting Tory, and being working-class and voting Labour, isn't just no longer valid, but has now started to reverse.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...neral-election
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    what were the figures like in the Thatcher era? Because surely that's the point at which that particular association began to be unpicked, the division of the working class
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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    what were the figures like in the Thatcher era? Because surely that's the point at which that particular association began to be unpicked, the division of the working class
    Dunno, but I'm pretty sure last December was the first election in which CD2E's were more likely to vote Tory than ABC1's.
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    Very probably, but the gap in eg 2010 is not as big as you might think https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-...d-october-1974

    This has been coming, prob even without the tumult of the last 4 years

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    Please let this happen.

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    What is "the reaction" when it's at home?
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