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    Post The Student Must Kill the Master

    Agree? Disagree? Can the master succeed if the student fails to surpass them? Can you think of any notable examples either way?

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    Did Dizzee kill Wiley? Should he have?

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    mavado stuck with bounty, kartel went to war with him.

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    also kartel only started being wicked once he went all oedipal

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    Quote Originally Posted by version View Post
    Did Dizzee kill Wiley? Should he have?
    This is a good example of how it's neVer quite that simple.

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    You have to get your timing right. Old lion on the downslope, you coming into the peak of your strength. Otherwise you can get badly mauled. A lot of boxing success is based on timing the fights in this way.

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    Was Beckett trying to when he went in the complete opposite direction to Joyce?

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    I'm in the Simon Reynolds lineage. I don't want to kill him. I'm also in the Grapejuice lineage and I don't want to kill them either. I'm partly being influenced and Lear I got from people. I dont want to play that down. But it's also having some essential identity with them. Members of the same tribe. So when you first encounter their work, there's instant recognition.

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    Was Beckett trying to when he went in the complete opposite direction to Joyce?
    I doubt it. I think he realised the futility of rehashing Joyce and realised he'd have to do something else.

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    Plus his own character would be pulling in its own direction in any case.

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    He didn't have to do the direct opposite to do that though.

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    No but it's the most obvious way to get free isn't it

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    True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    I'm in the Simon Reynolds lineage. I don't want to kill him. I'm also in the Grapejuice lineage and I don't want to kill them either. I'm partly being influenced and Lear I got from people. I dont want to play that down. But it's also having some essential identity with them. Members of the same tribe. So when you first encounter their work, there's instant recognition.
    There's a strange autocorrect accident here but I can't work out what I was trying to say in the first place.

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