Brooker on 9/11 conspiracies

sufi

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lala
So if people really want to discuss this - The actual topic of the Rothschilds
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not really, personally. That's like cartoon antisemitism,
but i'm interested about this idea of closed topics because i think that was an important part of how AS was exploited in the GE?
 
pattycakes_

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luka said:
Ever since patty called me a dick I don't want to have his stupid discussion about the Rothschilds anyway. He's put me right off with that attitude
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you've been stirring the pot the last few pages and calling me a fucking sympathiser.
 
Mr. Tea

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pattycakes_ said:
Totally John, but I think it's 8 main families that get the spotlight when it comes to that. Somehow the Rothschilds got the most of it though. I would really like to understand this stuff a lot better. I think it's important.
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Possibly it's posts like this that might prompt accusations, or at least suggestions, of disingenuousness. It could be taken one of two ways - "everyone focuses on the Rothschilds because they're Jewish and antisemitism is a widespread prejudice" or "everyone focuses on the Rothschilds because there's something incredibly sinister about them".

The very fact that you've brought them up is telling, because if you look at the Snopes link John has provided you'll see that there is no single unified "Rothschild family", and that the businesses that some of them do still control have a turnover that's insignificant in global terms. There must be hundreds of families you and I have never heard of that control far bigger amounts of money, but you don't see memes about how China's third-biggest bauxite baron secretly runs the world.
 
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luka

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Obviously you sympathise with the idea of the Rothschilds being part of a cabal which rules the world (8 families) cos you keep saying it. That is what you 'sympathise with.'
 
pattycakes_

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Mr. Tea said:
Possibly it's posts like this that might prompt accusations, or at least suggestions, of disingenuousness. It could be taken one of two ways - "everyone focuses on the Rothschilds because they're Jewish and antisemitism is a widespread prejudice" or "everyone focuses on the Rothschilds because there's something incredibly sinister about them".
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i was definitely coming at it from the former angle. as i said before in the thread, and apprently have to repeat, i want to understand why. why are they the ones singled out etc.

The very fact that you've brought them up is telling, because if you look at the Snopes link John has provided you'll see that there is no single unified "Rothschild family", and that the business that some of them do still control had a turnover that's insignificant in global terms. There must be hundreds of families you and I have never heard of that control far bigger amounts of money, but you don't see memes about how China's third-biggest bauxite baron secretly runs the world.
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so you're erring on the side of caution and assuming the worst. fair enough.
 
john eden

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This idea of the “closed topic” being fascinating is veering too close to Stewart Lee’s “you can’t even say you’re English these days, they will put you in prison” sketch for me to take it seriously.
 
luka

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john eden said:
This idea of the “closed topic” being fascinating is veering too close to Stewart Lee’s “you can’t even say you’re English these days, they will put you in prison” sketch for me to take it seriously.
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I think it can be separated out from that tendency as droid has explained with reference to his own experience of having his job threatened etc
 
luka

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I think it's a potentially interesting topic and we will have it one day when we are all feeling less fraught. Clearly tonight is a fraught night.
 
luka

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i do believe, as I've said before, that there are all sorts of words, notions, ideas, which will cause people to shut down. Their mind will clamp down. In America the idea of socialism acts in this way for many people which is why politicians and the media use the words socialism to smear their opponents.
 
luka

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The fact that there are words and ideas which act in this way is obvious to anyone interested in how power and ideology operate.
 
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luka

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As a general rule I'm sympathetic to the notion that you don't argue with eg a holocaust denier. However, if it's your mad aunt, maybe you make an exception. It depends. What's the context? Are they racist or just dotty, impressionable and credulous? How far gone are they?
 
luka

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Are ideas contagious? (lie down with dogs, get fleas)... Yes, probably, to a degree. But it's possible to inoculate yourself. If you have some kind of ethical framework in place. A set of values etc. Eg racism is intolerable. As I hope most if not all of us here do.
 
luka

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I agree the contemporary climate is very very worrying and anonymity plus unbridled free speech online has been exploited by the most unscrupulous actors imaginable. It's a cesspit. Im horrified, extremely upset, by what I see everyday online and the knock on effects that is having on politics and on everyday behaviour.
 
sufi

sufi

lala
john eden said:
This idea of the “closed topic” being fascinating is veering too close to Stewart Lee’s “you can’t even say you’re English these days, they will put you in prison” sketch for me to take it seriously.
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well don't let it be like that :love: we need to get past letting difficult topics be weaponised against us.
If the only people who can talk about antisemitism are jewish people, then havent we abandoned them to the fascists?
We should support them by dealing with our own issues, not blocking them
 
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