etc.
i feel like i'm somehow not fully party to this conversation, but re: zizek and lenin, coming at least from "revolution at the gates" i get the sense that zizek isn't taken by lenin as the purity of the ethical act as such (he'd pass that off as the "secular religion" reading, maybe) but by the notion of a reflexive decisiveness & a restless interrogation of any answer that does not imply its own insufficiency? which also seems v. difft than lukcas' lenin as embodying the reflexive consciousness of totality through positing its totalized character? (tho its been a while for me on that, & i'm describing all this in my own quirky vocabulary)
also it occurs to me that zizek probably confuses multiple meanings of "relativism" as do many foax -- an incapacitating moral relativism and a relativism of constructionism that doesn't preclude using such terms as "social fact" and a relativism of recognition of situated knowledge and action. or rather, he distinguishes them reasonably in practice, but poorly in terminology. (hey -- what if we take Lacan's four knowledges/discourses and turn them into four relativisms!?)
from k-punk i'd be interested in more examples of what you'd consider an "event" (my own use of the term is sorta a contingency/necessity derived notion -- a post-facto situated determination of the relation between the two as "historic" is thus what determines what constitutes one).
also re: belief before belief -- we totally part ways on this & my reading of zizek seems to back me up, in that he at least argues this "belief before belief" is a retroactive creation, sublime in its "irrational" character, but ultimately subject to techniques not of "rational" persuation but of the "analyist". in other words it is only ineffible to the extent we expect it to play by the rules of a broadly intersubjectively commensurable social field?
i feel like i'm somehow not fully party to this conversation, but re: zizek and lenin, coming at least from "revolution at the gates" i get the sense that zizek isn't taken by lenin as the purity of the ethical act as such (he'd pass that off as the "secular religion" reading, maybe) but by the notion of a reflexive decisiveness & a restless interrogation of any answer that does not imply its own insufficiency? which also seems v. difft than lukcas' lenin as embodying the reflexive consciousness of totality through positing its totalized character? (tho its been a while for me on that, & i'm describing all this in my own quirky vocabulary)
also it occurs to me that zizek probably confuses multiple meanings of "relativism" as do many foax -- an incapacitating moral relativism and a relativism of constructionism that doesn't preclude using such terms as "social fact" and a relativism of recognition of situated knowledge and action. or rather, he distinguishes them reasonably in practice, but poorly in terminology. (hey -- what if we take Lacan's four knowledges/discourses and turn them into four relativisms!?)
from k-punk i'd be interested in more examples of what you'd consider an "event" (my own use of the term is sorta a contingency/necessity derived notion -- a post-facto situated determination of the relation between the two as "historic" is thus what determines what constitutes one).
also re: belief before belief -- we totally part ways on this & my reading of zizek seems to back me up, in that he at least argues this "belief before belief" is a retroactive creation, sublime in its "irrational" character, but ultimately subject to techniques not of "rational" persuation but of the "analyist". in other words it is only ineffible to the extent we expect it to play by the rules of a broadly intersubjectively commensurable social field?