is dissensus dead?
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Sectionfive
bandwagon house
Perhaps if someone cobbles together a rolling threads to posters with beards index we might find where we're going wrong.
bruno
est malade
thank you, i like yours as well and saw the passenger based on your review, so thank you for that.
to be fair the closing off thing is not exclusive to london, i have also retreated to some extent and become more interested in local life (girlfriend, family, cycling), i think this is normal in times of change as people tend to look inward/find safe havens. it makes sense too that a large city or country becomes a world unto itself, the expectation is that things come to it rather than the other way around and i would imagine the tendency to open/close will ebb and flow with economic circumstance or whatever it is that makes people tick.
and crackerjack, you are right, it had more to do with character than politics, i did get the impression that politics had gone in a neo-con direction here and he was trying to counter that (by creating more sympathy for his enemies, paradoxically!).
re: sacred cows, like rich i arrived here through woebot and always liked him more than k-punk, but that is a question of affinity and means very little. my ideal is that everyone be on equal footing from the outset but that is really not possible, every word gives away who you are and is the basis of judgement, and some people rightly earn their fame through excellent character or some other quality, i see that now.
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sufi
lala
luka, blackdown & mms called it here, a couple of weeks back: http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?11849-if-New-York-can-die-so-can-London&p=263118#post263118
but this is spot on
missing polystyle too and a few others of the old crew, many of whom have gone on to bigger & greater things, but it's always been all about the group innit? there are plenty of good posters around still to take the discussion staggering from strength to strength into new and uncharted topics,
get in there!
but this is spot on
great to see ya bruno
missing polystyle too and a few others of the old crew, many of whom have gone on to bigger & greater things, but it's always been all about the group innit? there are plenty of good posters around still to take the discussion staggering from strength to strength into new and uncharted topics, get in there!
bruno
est malade
hey guysgreat to see ya bruno
i did say impression. two calm neo-cons vs one tourettes communist, it was hopeless.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I'd still say the political centre-of-gravity here is, and always has been, well to the left of the general political centre. And while Vimothy and Craner may well be conservative in some senses (economically more than socially, I think) I'm not sure it's really fair to lump them in with "neocons" per se. They're both much too smart to have any time for political neanderthals like Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter, at any rate.
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bruno
est malade
well, it's a slippery definition. i'm sure michael ledeen considers himself a socialist, and i consider him a crypto-fascist, but the convention is that he is a neo-conservative. and hmlt may be an excellent cook and royal-watcher privately, and oliver a consummate giallo-phile and many other things, people are complex but labels exist for convenience. if i cited julius evola left and right i would probably be labelled a fascist, i would object but that is the problem with impressions. incidentally, left of political centre is what i've seen the last few months, students marching for educational reform alongside unions, led by a militant, self-declared communist. she may not be a true communist, whatever that is, and may end up playing into other political hands (what matters is not only political action and the idea behind it but also the outcome), but the label is broadly right.
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nomos
Administrator
Yeah craner and bruno are But where's mms? For the record, I once advocated turning all administrative duties over to Ian Town and Yoghurt Sothoth but it didn't fly.
THis thread's going to get a bit Retromania if we're not careful. Go forth and spawn a new Dissensian dawn...
But where's mms? For the record, I once advocated turning all administrative duties over to Ian Town and Yoghurt Sothoth but it didn't fly. THis thread's going to get a bit Retromania if we're not careful. Go forth and spawn a new Dissensian dawn...
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bruno
est malade
let's agree then that music is shit and writing about music is shit, there is nothing to write about. coincidentally, no one makes a living writing about or making music, there are no shops left but zilllions of lossy mp3s and poorly typeset books in our computers/phones/ipods that will end up in ghana as refuse. there is only money in blatant mechandising, the luxury market, drugs and war. facebook eclipsed all other forms of electronic communication. real dissent is crushed and forgotten in the real world. we were and remain a collection of obnoxious, self-obsessed failed artist hipster types with no life rambling on about nothing of consequence! i'm off to bed.
slowtrain
Well-known member
I check hear every day (pretty much) and enjoy lots of stuff on here.
I would post more but I'm not English and generally a bit too uninformed and have very poor control of my grammar (see!) to contribute much of worth.
I have to agree that I generally don't care about discussing music (sorry!) and I don't really understand it very much (especially since I've never been involved in most of the electronic music scenes talked about here).
Also i don't really like music so much now anyway.
But generally I like this place and I don't have facebook, this is much better for finding out about stuff.
I would post more but I'm not English and generally a bit too uninformed and have very poor control of my grammar (see!) to contribute much of worth.
I have to agree that I generally don't care about discussing music (sorry!) and I don't really understand it very much (especially since I've never been involved in most of the electronic music scenes talked about here).
Also i don't really like music so much now anyway.
But generally I like this place and I don't have facebook, this is much better for finding out about stuff.
crackerjack
Well-known member
Beck's not a neocon, and tbh, there both just hucksters anyway. Craner is most definitely a neocon - his blog's called Kirkpatrick Mission FFS - but that's cool, he articulates it well.
crackerjack
Well-known member
and Bruno needs to tell us more about what's happening in Chile - I only just realised it was kicking off down there
IdleRich
IdleRich
But several brave souls have opened record shops in the UK recently (although apparently the Swindon one closed down three weeks later) - people are finding their niches and at least trying to turn the tide. A guy I know had an opening party for his on the weekend - I couldn't attend cos I was at a wedding but reports have been good
http://www.secondscene.co.uk/
Glad you enjoyed The Passenger anyway.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Fair enough, by the sound of it then I'm actually not clued up enough about modern politics to know what puts the "neo" in "neo-conservative" - I just have this vague sense that it means GWB and Palin as opposed to, say, Eisenhower or Nixon. Also I thought you had to be both American and a raving Christian loony to be a neocon, and clearly Craner is neither of those things. But anyway, he writes beautifully about films and is clearly pretty well clued up on politics in the Middle East, on which I've really enjoyed reading his essays. He also has great taste in female film stars of yesteryear.
Luka's insistence that Craner is some sort of demented, frothing Islamophobe is pretty tiresome, I think, but then those guys seem to have known each other IRL since forever so maybe it's more a harmless in-joke than anything else. In fact I love the way those two talk to and about each other, for all the world they sound like an old jilted couple who nonetheless still have some spark of affection for each other deep down...
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