Youve just invalidated every aesthetic opinion youve ever expressed AGAIN!
I Hate The Film Canon: A Thread
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Youve just invalidated every aesthetic opinion youve ever expressed AGAIN!
CrowleyHead
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"Vampires" is good. Sense of humor, takes the genre and applies it to the foreign (the desert); its a superior extension of the Omega Man fantasy. James Woods pre-maniacal conspiracy theory mode finally having the dialog that Roddy Piper and Kurt Russell would smother to oblivion with their obsessive jaw clenching. Five stars. Also not good, but also great.
CrowleyHead
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I can and will die on that hill. Lynch's Dune is superior to every Star Wars, Holy Mountain and its only closest rival which would be Jupiter Ascending.
firefinga
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That's not a big achivement, though. Personal opinion on Dune: masterpiece
firefinga
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You gotta put it into perpective.... If you imagine yourself being in the mid80s Reagen/Thatcher times, then Lynch's Dune is excellent.
I have defended it in the past, but its a mess. The narrative is all over the place, the visual effects, especially the mattes, are laughably bad and the editing is catastrophic. This is why Lynch himself disowned it.
That said, costumes and sets are magnificent and Baron Harkonnen is great. Ill give it that.
That said, costumes and sets are magnificent and Baron Harkonnen is great. Ill give it that.
sufi
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has apparently become a right nasty piece of work having defected to Belgrade
I actually still love him and crave his attentions whenever he deigns to show up in UK< but as luka confirms we see thru his shtick by nowHerzog
CrowleyHead
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Like 5 months ago.
Dune is ultimately a failure as a Space Opera Money Maker because few if any people understand what Lynch recognized in the book... Much of Science Fiction loves to play with messianic protagonists, and so the film itself is a post-Bunuel (go watch Bunuel's version of "Robinson Crusoe" and then watch Dune right after that, you'll see) take on the mindset of someone becoming a prophet and leading a religious war. Lynch characterizes the families in a symbolic sense to define their culture; the Atredies become Greco-Romans and the Harkonnens Scandinavian/Germanic, but makes them redheaded rather than blonde to avoid blatantly falling into expected stereotypes with the Fremen naturally falling into the sufi/moor-like position Herbert already had them in. (The Corrinos inevitably are the British, with the particular line of "This Is Genocide" by the Emperor
He knows that in the x amount of minutes you can't communicate the ideas of these people and the lore because ffs, you have to constantly make everything a semiotic device. When De Laurentis figures Dune is going to be his Star Wars he lets Lynch spend eons making all these unnecessary visual devices but then he's also thinking its going to be his Star Wars and rather than get a hodge-podge of standard American Cinema tropes (the Red Baron dogfight, the swordfight, the wild west bar shootout) he's getting A FUCKING JIHAD. HOW DO YOU SELL THE WESTERN WORLD A JIHAD? This is all stuff from the book that is being transmitted in a way that isn't the easy kitsch of Besson or the hamming overtones of a Jodorowsky.
Its Lynch at his finest as a visualist, but without his constant sense of transference that plagues his more beloved work with his over-infatuation with Americana or the blatant "I don't deserve this" self-pity trip about his first marriage that was Eraserhead. The film is a constantly austere, unrelenting and frigid because he's disconnected to the material.
And look he actually makes Irulan relevant which the book never bothered to accomplish so fucking hell he got one over on Herbert. I imagine that if he got to Round 2 he'd actually try to be more sympathetic to her character for Dune Messiah, an irony because Dune Messiah is the folly of the escapist wayward husband with delusions of grandeur.
Dune is ultimately a failure as a Space Opera Money Maker because few if any people understand what Lynch recognized in the book... Much of Science Fiction loves to play with messianic protagonists, and so the film itself is a post-Bunuel (go watch Bunuel's version of "Robinson Crusoe" and then watch Dune right after that, you'll see) take on the mindset of someone becoming a prophet and leading a religious war. Lynch characterizes the families in a symbolic sense to define their culture; the Atredies become Greco-Romans and the Harkonnens Scandinavian/Germanic, but makes them redheaded rather than blonde to avoid blatantly falling into expected stereotypes with the Fremen naturally falling into the sufi/moor-like position Herbert already had them in. (The Corrinos inevitably are the British, with the particular line of "This Is Genocide" by the Emperor
He knows that in the x amount of minutes you can't communicate the ideas of these people and the lore because ffs, you have to constantly make everything a semiotic device. When De Laurentis figures Dune is going to be his Star Wars he lets Lynch spend eons making all these unnecessary visual devices but then he's also thinking its going to be his Star Wars and rather than get a hodge-podge of standard American Cinema tropes (the Red Baron dogfight, the swordfight, the wild west bar shootout) he's getting A FUCKING JIHAD. HOW DO YOU SELL THE WESTERN WORLD A JIHAD? This is all stuff from the book that is being transmitted in a way that isn't the easy kitsch of Besson or the hamming overtones of a Jodorowsky.
Its Lynch at his finest as a visualist, but without his constant sense of transference that plagues his more beloved work with his over-infatuation with Americana or the blatant "I don't deserve this" self-pity trip about his first marriage that was Eraserhead. The film is a constantly austere, unrelenting and frigid because he's disconnected to the material.
And look he actually makes Irulan relevant which the book never bothered to accomplish so fucking hell he got one over on Herbert. I imagine that if he got to Round 2 he'd actually try to be more sympathetic to her character for Dune Messiah, an irony because Dune Messiah is the folly of the escapist wayward husband with delusions of grandeur.
firefinga
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CrowleyHead
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Luka's about to make it a triple down and we bout to take the Dissensus Triple Crown baybeeeee
