Yeah that's fair enough. I guess for me I just don't like clubbing as a social activity all that much. When I go clubbing I want to be overwhelmed by heavy sound - be that at 0 bpm drone or 240 speedcore. So in that regard, unlike luke I do have a soft spot for the NTS diggers - i just wish their showhosts had more personality. But clubbing as an activity on its own .. *sniffs haughtily* it's like saying I went to the golf over the weekend isn't it? Dire, I couldn't think of anything more sad and insecure. I'm into ritual, sweat, sex and machines, so i guess I'm never going to like the mainstream of clubbing, be that the Ibiza or just4uLondon versions.