0bleak

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it would be cool to have "killed by a xenomorph" as my epitaph
prolly the real reason musk is so excited about space travel
 

IdleRich

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Not in the first film, also 'perfect' doesn't necessarily mean 'invincible' and the predators are an insane culture who think being brutally killed by things like the xenomorph is the most respectable way to go out. They're not operating according to any human sense of 'fun'.

I was just disappointed that predators were deemed tougher cos I prefer alien.
 

version

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I was just disappointed that predators were deemed tougher cos I prefer alien.

Cameron was the one who made them expendable insectoid things, although it didn't feel like too huge a leap as the crew in the first one were just regular people with no weapons and the second lot were marines.
 

version

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Yeah but there's a queen or something right? Surely she's tougher than the Predator?

Pretty tough, but Ripley managed to beat one and a predator managed to beat another with the help of a human. The hybrid smashes the face off a queen at the end of Resurrection too. They usually just fire them out into space or drop them to the bottom of the ocean though, so it's never clear whether they've actually killed them or just trapped them / gotten away from them.





 

version

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Ridley's the only director who's really gotten what's so compelling about the alien, all the mythological and technological stuff @sus mentioned, the stuff to do with viruses and industry and gender and sexuality. Every other director treats it like just other movie monster and piggybacks off what Ridley, Giger and the original team built, often undermining and chipping away at it.

A director I reckon could actually nail it would be Robert Eggers as he has an eye for, and particular interest in, things like folklore and period detail. I can picture him doing a gothic take on it that pulls in all the hieroglyphs and temples and the like Gus was talking about, something much more in line with Giger's art.

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catalog

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To a certain extent, one of the blueprints for alien is 2001, cos of the hal/android thing going on.

It's a big part of it, as it is a big part of all these sorts of films. It's not just the monster that's bad, it's also your fellow man, or machine.

Shot by both sides.
 

sus

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@vershy versh Have you watched his Nosferatu yet? Me n the Missus been meaning to but it's a little close to home, the '22 and Herzog versions both so dear to heart to verge on
 

sus

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To a certain extent, one of the blueprints for alien is 2001, cos of the hal/android thing going on.

It's a big part of it, as it is a big part of all these sorts of films. It's not just the monster that's bad, it's also your fellow man, or machine.

Shot by both sides.
Cameron made The Abyss as an explicit "2001 but underwater" remake

Then he goes on to make Aliens sequel

All this stuff is so densely knotted up, there are like six directors making most of the classics and they're all part of an interlocking incestuous ideaspace
 

sus

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The Abyss is like a slant-rhyme of both Avatar and Alien, a bridge that connects their conceptual systems. Coffey is Quaritch; Virgil is Jake. The blue-collar workers are Na’vi; the SEALs are the Marines. The corporation is the corporation; and Lindsey is Grace. Only by giving himself up does Virgil save himself; Cameron: at the end of the film, humanity is “found to be worthy of salvation because of a single average man, an Everyman, who somehow represents that which is good in us: the capacity for love measured by the willingness for self-sacrifice.”
 

0bleak

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just wanna say that, back in the in the day, it kind of became a cliche for cool underground clubs to advertise themselves with gigeresque poster/flyer artwork - of course i was a total sucker for it
 

catalog

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The abyss was disappointing I thought, apart from the thing about it being the sun.

And I guess it's just a universal theme? The tech outsmarting us I mean?
 
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