dilbert1

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“Life finds a way” etc. I also didn’t realize at first that the perpetual nature of the explosion Portman’s character sets off is more unwitting refraction and mimicry on the part of the Shimmer. That it doesn’t know that its killing itself is very creepy
 

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An element present in The Thing and Annihilation which isn't present in Alien is the difficulty in identifying the alien. You never really know what The Thing actually looks like, whether it has a form at all, whether it's just some bacteria-like thing that can spread as spores or atoms, and the same goes for the one in Annihilation. You only see them in their effect on the things around them.
 
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Version did you see I posted a book in the James Cameron thread? Can you give it a like? I don't expect anyone to read it but a like would be nice.
 

0bleak

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I won’t dare comment on Adams in her presence!!!

don't know if you watched it yet, but I just watched it again and remembered there's a cameo in the beginning - interested if you catch it

I also thought some of the dialogue could be taken from dissensus or that a couple of characters were, at points, saying things kind of like people would say here or at least acting in a similar manner.

Veronica Cartwright's character with her "ancient aliens" theory about humanity evolved is amusing because you didn't hear a lot of talk, if any, like that back then, it seems to me, but i was still a pretty little kid. Maybe if I had been a hip adult in a hip part of town going to the right bookstores and/or in the right social circles, maybe I would have run into that, but even so, I highly doubt that someone would have imagined back then that there would be a cable channel "history channel" that would constantly run shows about "ancient aliens".

Also, oddly enough, I get kind of a weird nostalgia for how things were then, the same way that holdovers also made me reminiscent altho the latter was a couple of years before I was born.

I'm not mentioning a lot of stuff that ties in with the last few posts so I'll leave that to you or others that are better at expressing it.
 

0bleak

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also I don't know why I always think of adams as the main character whenever I haven't watched it recently, but it does feel like the perspective shifts from her more to sutherland, but i'm weird, i guess
 

0bleak

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I also forgot to mention that there''s also a second cameo a little bit later, but you might not catch it or recognize the actor unless you've also seen the 1956 version.
If you get the connection, you could almost see the 1978 version as a sequel.
 

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Yeah "hollow earth" is another interesting theme in these kinds of romances, a la Jules Verne. I think it comes up in the new Kong x Godzilla films yeah?
Not familiar with those, but in the abridged ladybird classic I had of journey to the centre of the earth, they go down through an extinct volcano in Iceland, and get to a beach, see dinosaurs. And the way that particular book is drawn, the rendering of figures is very vorticist. Strange book for kids!

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  • the great amphibian

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    Down to earth, yet not
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 31 December 2004
    There are some scenes that stay in my memory from this book. One of these is when the adventuring trio raft across an underground ocean and have to stay on a raft in the midst of a fight between giant nemesis sea 'dinosaurs'. Another is when the narrator thinks that he has lost his companions and his torch breaks so he is left in the dark miles underground thinking that he is forever lost. I truly felt the fear of being lost to its extreme when reading this. He does manage to find the professor and Hans, but the means are about as crazy as so much in this book, (which is a quaint thing about the book). I think Jules Vernes does the "dare to be bad" thing with the unlikely things that happen, but he might have taken this too far and actually ended up by being a little bit bad because of these totally impossible and unbelievable things that happen or things which the travellers survive for a happy ending, (such as being ejected up from miles underground through the vent of a volcano and surviving). This is probably the most enjoyable and visual adventure story that I have read, and actually, although the things that happen are hard to believe, this is slightly in dream territory, and Vernes clearly had an appreciation for geology and things. I did an A-level in geology, and every time that I was going to object to one of his suggestions he would then justify it. (One of these was that I objected that under the earth it would be far too hot to survive, but Verne justifies this by saying that the protagonists go underground in a tunnel made of granite and hence the temperature gradient doesn't effect them much. At least he know which parts to justify. This must be one of the earliest science fiction books, and is sort of geological science fiction. Also, one thing that I falsely objected to is that going to the centre of the Earth is a totally ridiculous idea for a science fiction story because it is so far-fetched, but in the story the adventurers only actually stay within the Earth's crust, which although deep, is only a tiny distance in geological terms. This made things a lot more realistic. Also the exciting atmosphere of Iceland prior to their 'breach' of Earth's crust stays in my memory. If you like the sound of it, read this book.
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Re crystals, return to lizards... I recently learned that the central organising principle for ASNAC people (Anglo-Saxon, Norse, and Celtic) was "Frost and Fire".

Ie it was the central opposition, from which everything else derived.

From frost you get blue, crystal, brittle, sharp.

From fire, it's red, lava, soft, enveloping.
 
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The fascinating thing about the crystallisation process is the tension between the beauty of it and the fact it's killing everything, like being hypnotised by a steadily coiling snake. There's something similar going on with people like Giger and Antonioni and Lynch being transfixed by industrial machinery.

Sounds a bit like the greenfly in those Alastair Reynolds books - or maybe in reverse but still somehow with the same effect. Except this time it's galaxy-wide or further even.

However, in doing so, they created a greater problem: the so-called "Greenfly" machines, self-replicating terraformers programmed to destroy every object in a solar system and reorganize them into trillions of vegetation-filled habitats that orbit the local star (behavior that is exactly the same as the threat described by the Shadows). The Inhibitors had kept them in check, but without the Inhibitors, the Greenfly are now out of control. Nothing the humans or Nestbuilders can do has stopped them. As such, humanity is evacuating towards the Pleiades.
 

IdleRich

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Jurassic Park is part of this whole symbology too. Return of primordial, coldblooded, reptilian predators. Nature that natures, i.e. gets out of hand and can't be controlled, begins reproducing. The same way Weyland-Yutani keeps trying to control the xenomorph and failing. Genetic engineering fears. Lableak psychology.
I always thought it was weird how Crichton got away with simply rewriting his own novel and replacing cowboys with dinosaurs.

Then later you get a new Westworld where the clones are more like replicants, sometimes they don't even know they're not human.
 
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Re crystals, return to lizards... I recently learned that the central organising principle for ASNAC people (Anglo-Saxon, Norse, and Celtic) was "Frost and Fire".

Ie it was the central opposition, from which everything else derived.

From frost you get blue, crystal, brittle, sharp.

From fire, it's red, lava, soft, enveloping.

Wearing the Ice-shirt

 
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