David Foster Wallace
This, I think, is the stumbling block me and Luke and hardcore continuum people have with the Gilles types. We don't have a problem listening to the music he champions, often the 70s stuff we already sample, otherwise there would be no 94 jungle after all! It's the condescension, that us ruffnecks know nothing about soul and are unreceptive to cosmic truth. We too also grew up with black or black derived music and were dancing in early age. but we are excluded from that mythos.
Who's condescending you? Who's excluding you? Who's saying you're unreceptive? How are you ruffneck if you just admitted being middle class? I think if anything most 'ruffnecks' are not drawn to this type of music. Any that are have always been welcome in my experience. The jazz dance and peterson's community are basically wiggers man. All praises due to the black man for making the music that changed our lives. Of course there's a snooty side to some of it. But the same goes for UKG. There's always pockets of reserved table / bottle service people. This is not exclusive to the white privileged. I don't think many of gilles' fans are into the cosmic side of things. Shit, I don't think even gilles is tbh. He just likes the music.
Except this is what the jazzbos did to jungle! they squeezed all the ragga, all the belgian techno, all the break choppage out of it, just to fit their ideal platonic conception of black music. they were not listening to jungle in 93! this is the thing, what you say is correct to an extent but some of those people you cite are just as complicit in this gentrifying process. talking loud getting on jungle. great.
See I don't know much about this time but like wasn't LTJ a major proponent of this and was black? Genres evolve. You don't like it? Make something different. Do something about it. Don't blame the natural progression on phantoms. There's great jazzy jungle. And it's not always about making it palatable. As blissblog said in another thread. LTJ and crew came from house, hence their different approach. Can't speak about talking loud, don't really know much of their jungle output. Of course things get watered down. Happens to the best of genres. You can't keep the fires burning forever. Shit that burns the brightest fades the fastest etc.
to be fair theo chats a lot of guff
Full stop. I'd prefer it if he just played the music.
about healing white people
Have never heard him say this and I'm a nerd when it comes to interviews with all those guys
like, let's be real here, the idea that non-western music is less intellectual itself is a colonial construct.
I never said that. Don't twist my words man. If anything it's the other way around. You can't come up with sick assed polyrhythms and polymeters and all the rest of the non western oveure if you're a dunce. You think I don't get that?
