artifacts / fog of war

[line b]

I dont know why Im getting roped into this though because generally the digital look doesnt bother me as bad as it seems version. Film looks better but digital is usually non offensive to me and can look great.

 

[line b]

I will stay firm on the music production side of things. its made band based music awful

 

[Murphy]

Ossian Brown from Cyclobe talked about trying to integrate digital patina into recordings, ie bury an mp3 on a cdr, let its surface degrade and then see what could be lifted or retrieved from the remains

Andrew Liles and Thighpaulsandra‘s Julian Cope collaborations on Queen Elizabeth are two projects which can shape layers of apparent patina and incongruent tape speeds, not just add a bit of make-believe Caretaker hiss

 

[sus]

I will stay firm on the music production side of things. its made band based music awful

I can't disagree more, this is pure nostalgic lens talking, you need to sober up, you are intoxicated with the past

 

[vershy versh]

Yeah, this is a good example. A film that's both crap and looks crap. Horrible smooth glow.

 

[maxi]

I will stay firm on the music production side of things. its made band based music awful

the production on this is digital I assume but raw and sounds great to me

 

[maxi]

the trick is just not overproducing it like all the rubbish rock music from the 2000s

 

[line b]

I can't disagree more, this is pure nostalgic lens talking, you need to sober up, you are intoxicated with the past

Weve already discussed this in the seminal labrinth thread- you dont like music you like efficiency of movement and feeling and potency. supply chains. logistics.

 

[line b]

its not that the production is bad but its absent, no creative input from the producer whatsoever anymore. Band music has always been music made by morons that are reeled in by a producer. Band music doesnt even exist if not for George martin likely. To put it kind of stupidly- if you call the producer the 5th member of a band, and you remove them from the equation, can you expect the group to deliver the same punch with 20% missing?

 

[line b]

amongst other things I hate how distinct and enunciated vocals sound. its uncouth and invading. its uncool, the worst sin a band can commit

 

[line b]

Im not obsessed with the past I see bands perform semi regularly but in the spirit of what version is saying modern production technique has taken a whole slew of bands that would be fine and passable and turned them actively offensive

 

[maxi]

Vegyn is producing the next double virgo record and I'm curious to hear how that will differ. But the first example was the track I posted here yesterday. they are the best band in the world now (the only one I know but also the best)

 

[line b]

its a shame vegyn is afraid of writing songs. the sound is cool but it doesnt seem like he knows how to finish any ideas.

 

[maxi]

amongst other things I hate how distinct and enunciated vocals sound. its uncouth and invading. its uncool, the worst sin a band can commit

I can see that- that's something I'm generally against too but it also just depends on whether it complements the style of the songs. I love double virgo's vocals I'd describe them as 'confidently weedy'

 

[line b]

Yeah, this is a good example. A film that's both crap and looks crap. Horrible smooth glow.

weird that its the coen brothers too. I think they thought the filters thrown atop everything give it a 'small' feeling. storybook like the plot. but it looks bad and would be bad anyway because it was really boring

 

[sus]

I didn't listen to/can't vouch for the audio narration, but really these side-by-sides are indistinguishable

 

[sus]

Also there are so many examples of terrible looking pre-digital movies. Endless examples.

 

[sus]

its not that the production is bad but its absent, no creative input from the producer whatsoever anymore. Band music has always been music made by morons that are reeled in by a producer. Band music doesnt even exist if not for George martin likely. To put it kind of stupidly- if you call the producer the 5th member of a band, and you remove them from the equation, can you expect the group to deliver the same punch with 20% missing?

Yes, obviously, when you bring in someone who is an expert at producing or editing, it is going to sound or read better than if you don't. Nobody is disputing this. This goes without saying.

 

[sus]

Im not obsessed with the past I see bands perform semi regularly but in the spirit of what version is saying modern production technique has taken a whole slew of bands that would be fine and passable and turned them actively offensive

More likely they would never have been signed in the first place and their music just wouldn't exist.

I don't think there's a trend of signed label bands skipping out on producers. This is not a thing I've ever heard of. Obviously some musicians learn their own production chops and slowly gain the authority to engineer their own music. But all this is completely separate from digital vs analog questions

 

[sus]

its not that the production is bad but its absent, no creative input from the producer whatsoever anymore. Band music has always been music made by morons that are reeled in by a producer. Band music doesnt even exist if not for George martin likely. To put it kind of stupidly- if you call the producer the 5th member of a band, and you remove them from the equation, can you expect the group to deliver the same punch with 20% missing?

Note that this is completely opposite/antagonistic to Version's original post

Misfits – various cassette bootlegs

This was when I first got into punk music, pre-internet, when I was in middle school, so it was hard to find a lot of punk music, you had to get it dubbed from somebody's older brother or sister. I think the first stuff I heard was probably the Walk Among Us stuff, and Earth A.D.. A little while later, we heard ‘Cough/Cool’ that sounded like it had been dubbed 10 times, and we would get live tapes that also sounded like they'd been dubbed 10 times and recorded on a tape recorder held next to a speaker – everything's overblown, but we could still follow the songs. I don't think I realised until later, but that's how my love for tape hiss came about, I was hearing these Misfits bootlegs. I remember when the remasters came out in the early 90s, and finally hearing like, ‘Cough/Cool’ or ‘Rat Fink’ at its proper fidelity. So much was missing for me – there were so many sounds in these dubbed versions I had that were just gone. I mean, I probably would have liked the proper versions if I had heard them first, but these poorly dubbed ones were the ones I listened to over and over and over, that's how it sounded right to me.

What you fell in love with was the whole sound world and all the unwanted stuff as well as that actual song?

When I heard Harry Pussy for the first time, they were a punk band that I thought, this is like a Misfits bootleg – I can tell there's a song there, but it's so blown out and it's so buried in low fidelity that I really fell in love with that band. It was like the Butthole Surfers or Couch again – this is what punk has always been in my head. I think it really made me want to explore those sounds in that tape hiss, dubbing tapes over and over to see what happens. I didn't until recently put two and two together, that this all probably came from me listening to these Misfits tapes.