Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Even Ian McEwan, say, who deserves hatred for being so smug and "literary" - I think I hate him in part for being smug and "literary" - LIKE ME.

Not long after I joined this forum I unwisely said that I quite liked some of McEwan's novels and I think I'd have got a better reception if I'd admitted to enjoying child porn.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
He's the one that does stick in my craw. I read a criticism once which I thought was quite insightful - beyond the usual 'smug wanker' stuff, which is perfectly valid - saying that McEwan is a good short story writer who has recognised that to get real money and acclaim you need to write novels. So he spins out what are essentially short stories to novel (actually more like novella) length, which is why his novels feel so thin and short and smug. Well it doesn't explain the last one actually come to think of it.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
"Saturday" is the one I always remember as being compulsively readable, impressively written, but ending (spoiler alert) with a psychotic criminal breaking into the brain surgeon's house, about to rape his daughter or something, then being stopped in their tracks by a poem (Matthew Arnold?), having a seizure and finally having his brain operated on by aforementioned surgeon.

What he IS good at is creepy tension. The incursion/eruption of violence into a sheltered life.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Gotta admit I never read that. In fact, that's something I wish I was better at, not reasing stuff I know I won't like.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
What he IS good at is creepy tension. The incursion/eruption of violence into a sheltered life.

Yeah, I remember Black Dogs being pretty creepy. I liked The Child in Time too. Maybe his reputation would be better around these parts if he'd suddenly died or something ca. 1995?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
No I'm joking. I quite liked Tropic of Cancer and I feel it fits into a very recognisable category which includes... I dunno, some Bukowski, um, Ask The Dust (John Fante), er, maybe even Thief's Journal by Genet, perhaps Journey to the End of Night (Celine) and so on and so forth some Burroughs. Basically angry guy bumming around, getting drunk (or otherwise fucked up) and pontificating on how only he understands... anything really. Not sure it's my favourite genre but the good ones hit the spot every now and again.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Again, I'm sure I've said it before, but Jesus' Son by Dennis Johnson is fantastic, if you've not read it, it's basically what Bukowski would be like if he was any good at writing. Actually if he was really really good at writing in fact.
 

version

Well-known member
I read Tropic of Capricorn and thought it was patchy. There were some great bits with him going off about writing or whatever, but then I'd have to slog through sections of him going on and on about how he imagined floating on a sea of cunt, looking up at a sky of cunt and the sun was a big cunt and everything smelled like cunt because the universe was just one giant cunt.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Did you read Jesus' Son? That is really special I think. You just realise what was possible if one of those many drunken bums who catalogued street life could write like a fucking genius.
 

catalog

Well-known member
Again, I'm sure I've said it before, but Jesus' Son by Dennis Johnson is fantastic, if you've not read it, it's basically what Bukowski would be like if he was any good at writing. Actually if he was really really good at writing in fact.

Probably why I left the Denis Johnson, I really like buk, love his writing style!
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
In fairness, I read Post Office, thought "this is bollocks" but later I read Factotum and enjoyed it even though it's exactly the same
 
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