Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)

[mixed_biscuits]

Delta variant considerably less bad - the variant the UK gvt is using to keep lockdown for another month... (https://assets.publishing.service.g...ariants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing.pdf

 

[wg-]

Really though that's to do with vaccine prevalence and the age groups in a position to catch it, isn't it.

I know that charts like this help your cause a lot but whether you're pro-vaccine or not, comparing October 2020's situation to now is ridiculous. The evidence is clearly there that most vaccines do have a success rate in generating a better immune response in the elderly/more vulnerable etc. Though I do get the argument about it being experimental, what are the side effects etc. Personally I think that AZ one is fucking scary

The transmissability of the variants seems to be the argument really but you do wonder whether the Indian death rate was more the poor state of their healthcare system as opposed to it suddenly becoming steroid-covid in terms of reaction

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Yeah, it's more a 'Freedom Day should happen' angle.

The media/top end of the gvt will focus on transmission and doomy what-ifs and ignore the CFR (transmission not a concern if very few get seriously ill and the variant is a classic instance of mutations tending towards +transmissibility and -harmfulness).

Clear cracks will now appear between the international G7/Great Reset layer and the next layers down of government, exposing the singularity of the former's aims.

 

[Mr. Tea]

@wild greens What do you find scary about the AZ vaccine?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Pay close attention to the infection rate and other indicators as the lockdown extension nears: the ruse they use is to implement lockdown as either infections have hit their peak or cases/deaths have passed the point of inflection in growth. This gives the impression lockdown made the difference.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Flu's coming back!

 

[wg-]

Depends on how you view it

If the youth are going to catch it in droves but they are propping up service industries then the idea is always based on economy and feasibility of how "society" is affected.

I know a couple of small independent firms that had it tear through them in the December madness last year and it held up numerous jobs all over the place but it was pretty localised. If this is even more transmissable then it's not necessarily the threat to health they care about, its the threat to portions of the economy being frozen in situ for a couple of weeks.

Freedom day is such a load of old shit though. LBC talking point nonsense. Everything is the economy, night-life etc is just the only casualty they're willing to suffer as its not quite the earner that everything else.

@Mr. Tea just doesn't sit right with me. Too many blood clotting issues, too little detail on long-term effects. I'm not anti-vax or anything but if they'd offered me that I would have span on my heels.

 

[version]

@Mr. Tea just doesn't sit right with me. Too many blood clotting issues, too little detail on long-term effects. I'm not anti-vax or anything but if they'd offered me that I would have span on my heels.

Which one did you have?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Pay close attention to the infection rate and other indicators as the lockdown extension nears: the ruse they use is to implement lockdown as either infections have hit their peak or cases/deaths have passed the point of inflection in growth. This gives the impression lockdown made the difference.

Still waiting for an explanation of how They benefit from endless lockdowns, beyond simple recreational evil. Or how They somehow managed to co-opt virtually the entire medical establishment.

Not that I'm holding my breath.

 

[Mr. Tea]

@wild greens The rate of blood clots from the AZ vaccine is about 1 in 250,000, which is 250 times lower than the rate of blood clots caused by oral contraceptives that millions of women take every day.

 

[wg-]

I'm not on the pill though mate, I am just working shifts and typing on the internet. I've made my own mind up about the Oxford one and that's pretty much how it is

There is a civic duty in all this, which I'm behind, wouldn't want to be the vector of someone else's grief through transmission etc.

I'm just saying I wouldn't have accepted that jab as I don't believe that this is the only problem with it. Not trying to get into some back and forth about it

 

[wg-]

There are many problems with the "they" idea I don't know where to start, but I think a lot of it comes down to some proponents of the theory feeling isolated and vulnerable from the current predicament

Surely we can all agree that its very clear that this is a cold world and covid has only served to exacerbate it

Personally I feel pretty free but I have been out and about all this time anyway. I have saw what it's done to some wfh people though & it's not nice

 

[Mr. Tea]

I'm not on the pill though mate, I am just working shifts and typing on the internet. I've made my own mind up about the Oxford one and that's pretty much how it is

There is a civic duty in all this, which I'm behind, wouldn't want to be the vector of someone else's grief through transmission etc.

I'm just saying I wouldn't have accepted that jab as I don't believe that this is the only problem with it. Not trying to get into some back and forth about it

I'm not trying to talk you into having it! I was just putting the risk (which applies almost entirely to women, anyway) in context.

 

[Mr. Tea]

(Assuming, that is, that you're a man - which maybe you're not, although this place is a bigger sausage-fest than a typical foreskin restoration forum, as you've probably noticed, so it's generally a fair bet.)

 

[Slothrop]

Still waiting for an explanation of how They benefit from endless lockdowns, beyond simple recreational evil. Or how They somehow managed to co-opt virtually the entire medical establishment.

Not that I'm holding my breath.

Finally, the answer - they're in hock to Big Circle:

 

[Slothrop]

Honestly, though, I'm borderline impressed by the idea that governments around the world are not only inexplicably interested in pissing semi-infinite amounts of money away by shutting their economies down but are also correctly identifying every time the (previously unseen) virus is going to suddenly stop infecting people for no scientifically explained reason and timing their lockdowns to make it look like the irrelevant fact that you've massively reduced the amount of close contact that people have with each other is responsible instead. The "lockdown causes more damage than the virus would" brigade are being thick-headed, but I guess that at least it's not an inherently implausible idea, whereas convincing yourself that lockdowns have no impact at all must take dedication.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Honestly, though, I'm borderline impressed by the idea that governments around the world are not only inexplicably interested in pissing semi-infinite amounts of money away by shutting their economies down but are also correctly identifying every time the (previously unseen) virus is going to suddenly stop infecting people for no scientifically explained reason and timing their lockdowns to make it look like the irrelevant fact that you've massively reduced the amount of close contact that people have with each other is responsible instead. The "lockdown causes more damage than the virus would" brigade are being thick-headed, but I guess that at least it's not an inherently implausible idea, whereas convincing yourself that lockdowns have no impact at all must take dedication.

Quite. Given that infectious respiratory diseases spread through close interpersonal contact, a denial that reducing the amount of close interpersonal contact people have is obviously going to slow the spread of such a disease amounts to a denial of germ theory.

Which, like any moronic and obviously wrong idea, naturally has a community of adherents who think they're right and everyone else is wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_denialism

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Lockdowns are a huge net negative once the virus is endemic

 

[Leo]

considering a late career change: painting stupid circles on shop floor. those bastards are livin' large, crazy money.

 

[Murphy]

Make them from stone, go megalithic

(and go deep with the masons, Biscuits will love that part)