The Metaverse

[Clinamenic]

exist outside of it, beyond it

As we move deeper into the digital era, there will be less and less of an outside to speak of.

 

[toko]

it doesn't ultimately mater for any of the real world transactions it records

no, don't agree here. medium is the message etc etc

 

[vimothy]

the medium is not always the message, sometimes it runs up against reality

 

[toko]

new ways of enforcing commerical rules has political significance outside itself

 

[vimothy]

there's a PKD quote, from memory but it's something like, "reality is that which doesn't go away even when you want it to"

 

[vimothy]

finance is reality, to some extent

 

[vimothy]

no avoiding this shit

 

[toko]

doubt crypto can ascend past the hegemony of the u.s, but in periphery countries the ability to transact and bank without the state i think weakens political power of those states

 

[vimothy]

thats a separate q

 

[vimothy]

interesting tho. personally i think dollar hegemony is still inescapable

 

[toko]

what seems to be your real objection then-- if its that it cannot do much to change "reality" then all your arguing for is a kind of fatalism. unless your suggesting it will be a worse reality. tbf this is a plausible belief to have

 

[toko]

but my point is that the two are contradictory, you cant hold both at the same time. either its impotent or its not

 

[vimothy]

you can read it like that, sure

 

[vimothy]

but i dont think so

 

[vimothy]

its more a q of where crypto thinks it can go

 

[toko]

interesting tho. personally i think dollar hegemony is still inescapable

maybe in our life times. but things that are impossible today dont seem so impossible in on one or two life times. how thinkable was the fall of monarchies?

its more a q of where crypto thinks it can go

elaborate. what don't you think so. little confused do you agree with my characterization of your view or the fact that its impotent.

 

[vimothy]

crypto is caught in a trap, that's what I think

 

[Clinamenic]

no avoiding this shit

Right, our nature is inescapable, but it can change. Thats exactly what we're doing when we're encompassing ourselves in our technology.

Imagine people who grow up with every transaction in a system being public, what they'll take for granted, and how their nature will reflect this.

 

[toko]

ahhhh. i see now. yeah ive had this thought before. something something deal with devil.

 

[Clinamenic]

Even technologically, we'll always have a residuum of yesterdays stack. Really the stack is a palimpsest in that regard.