padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
point me to all the non-massive, overarching JFK conspiracy theories, Rich
go ahead, do it
go ahead, do it
the until recent long-time head of the CIA (and brother of the Secretary of State, etc) ordering a revenge assassination of the sitting President is exactly the kind of thing that would require an extensive coverupSome people point the finger at Dulles as he had the connections, despised Kennedy and was appointed to the Warren Commission.
I don't know who killed JFK. The more you look into it, the muddier it gets. There's all sorts of intriguing details and tidbits, e.g. Jolly West, noted MKUltra psychiatrist, visiting and treating Ruby after his arrest.
the until recent long-time head of the CIA (and brother of the Secretary of State, etc) ordering a revenge assassination of the sitting President is exactly the kind of thing that would require an extensive coverup
That's what's weird all these tidbits. The stuff that I read recently about how they couldn't give a reason for why Oswald was arrested at first. And then he was only accused of killing a policeman. At the press conference when they asked him about being charged with killing Kennedy he said he had not been charged, in fact he had not even heard that he was in the frame for it until that moment. So stuff like that is werid.
BUT
I gotta say, with all these mysteries, everything is like that and it's so frustrating. Times differ, eye-witness reports contradict on crucial details and so on and so forth. And the first with Jack the Ripper or whatever I saw that happening I thought "weird, what does it mean?" but now I just find it frustrating and familiar and I realise that 99 times out of a hundred you can't get anything from these mix-ups and they are not sinister but usually just incompetence.
all of which eventually became public knowledge, which undermines rather than strengthens what you're trying to sayCan't be much bigger, logistically, than the various coups he staged around the world, MKUltra and whatever else happened under his watch.
it's not about whether "the deep state" murdered the president. it's about believing someone is in control.
it is not a lazy point. it is borne out in essentially all major conspiracist thinking, from 9/11 to QAnon to whatever else.
not sure why your tone is consistently insulting in this thread btw, especially since your own arguments aren't exactly dynamite
like you read a novel and speculated some bullshit
if you just want to have fun that's fine. if you want an actual answer, it was Lee Harvey Oswald.
Well liike i say, i aint seen, maybe one day.as a film, it's entertaining
as history, it's not only absolutely terrible but dangerous, bc it's the defining view for so many people and it perpetuates so many myths and outright inventions. Stone wanted to have it both ways - sell an entertaining fiction while presenting his film as a truth to power document and split the difference by referring to it as a "countermyth to the Warren Commission" (like I said - if all facts are simply competing myths then nothing is "true"). the money shot is a famous scene where Donald Sutherland appears as a kind of ex-special ops Deep Throat breaking down the supposed deep state coup d'etat to murder to Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner). it includes a shot of LBJ saying point blank to a bunch of spooks and generals that if they put him into power he'll give them their war in Vietnam. it's fucking preposterous.
point me to all the non-massive, overarching JFK conspiracy theories, Rich
go ahead, do it
Yeah in greater seriousness I found this point padraig made very interesting, and true I suspect.I don't agree with everything Padraig said, but I think he's right about the most interesting aspect being its position as the ur-text of American conspiracy.
Maybe @padraig (u.s.) is just part of the conspiracy and wants to snuff out any incipient investigations here, seeing as Dissensus is historically known for its scrupulous analysis and in-depth intelligence gathering, and may prove to be the undoing of padraig and his coterie of conspirators.
Yes and hopefully I want it to kind of emerge from what we discuss but it feels that jumping ahead to it may be cheating a little.Yeah in greater seriousness I found this point padraig made very interesting, and true I suspect.