Murphy

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shared values innit, Trump won’t be able to control Bibi but the latter could use the former as a guardrail for graded deescalation
 

Mr. Tea

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everybody would've won against harris i think. who is gonna vote for someone currently committing a genocide?
Do you not understand that Trump/the Republicans are even more pro-Israel than the Dems, though? "Everybody" didn't win - Trump won, the man who openly considers the Muslim world a "shithole" and whose son-in-law wants to redevelop Gaza as an Israeli tourist resort.

Any American "leftist" who either didn't vote or voted third party because of Israel/Gaza is a fucking idiot.
 

Mr. Tea

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I mean, in a way you're absolutely right, and I'm sure the current administration's support for Israel is a large part of why Harris lost. But that just illustrates that large sections of the American left are every bit as morally bankrupt and intellectually vacuous as the right.
 

Murphy

cat malogen
he’ll die in office and Vance, a Scots-Irish of evil Orange provenance, will see the final transition from republic to empire
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
Do you not understand that Trump/the Republicans are even more pro-Israel than the Dems, though? "Everybody" didn't win - Trump won, the man who openly considers the Muslim world a "shithole" and whose son-in-law wants to redevelop Gaza as an Israeli tourist resort.

Any American "leftist" who either didn't vote or voted third party because of Israel/Gaza is a fucking idiot.
yes that's what everybody is saying but i don't believe that.
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
What part don't you believe?
that the republicans are more pro-israel than the democrats. i mean, i guess harris or genocide joe didn't call the muslim world a "shithole" and they did not say they wanna turn gaza in a israeli tourist resort but that is in fact exactly how they have been treating the palestinians and what they have been supporting and executing in the last year.

 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
i get it that harris is probably the lesser of two evils but if you wake up every day for the last year seeing video's of people burning to death and are expected to vote for the person/party responsible well i get it people can't do that.
 

Mr. Tea

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"If you get me elected, and you should really be doing this … we're going to set that movement [the pro-Palestine solidarity campaign] back 25 or 30 years," Trump told Jewish donors at a roundtable event in New York earlier this year.

 

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everybody would've won against harris i think. who is gonna vote for someone currently committing a genocide?
Harris is also a uniquely faceless candidate. Even Biden had more of a persona. Reminds me a bit of romney
 
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Mr. Tea

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Harris is also a uniquely faceless candidate. Even Biden had more of a persona. Reminds me a bit of romney
I guess, but just how perfect does a Democratic candidate have to be in order to win against Trump?

Trump, whatever else you can say about him, is certainly not "faceless." But this is starting to sound like an argument that many Americans will simply vote for whoever they find the most charismatic or entertaining, regardless of what they're actually saying or what their policies are. Which may even be true, I suppose.
 

entertainment

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She was a good at basking in her popularity within her base, not so good at speaking to people outside it.

Not a bad candidate per se but caught up in that whole self-congratulatory Democrat thing, which is pure nutrition for the trumpian reactionary sentiment.
 

version

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She was a good at basking in her popularity within her base, not so good at speaking to people outside it.

Not a bad candidate per se but caught up in that whole self-congratulatory Democrat thing, which is pure nutrition for the trumpian reactionary sentiment.

Yeah, my main takeaway's how much of a bubble the Democrats and a load of their voters seem to exist in. So many comments flooding Reddit expressing shock and dismay at the fact she could lose at all and claiming the only explanation is that America hates women.

There's a lot of squirming going on over the fact it can't all be pinned on white guys too as tons of women and minorities voted for him.
 
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