Logan Sama
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gumdrops said:
It was promoted as being Grime/Garage/"Urban"
"Tell us what you call it then...."
Poor State of Grime
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It was promoted as being Grime/Garage/"Urban"
"Tell us what you call it then...."
bassnation
the abyss
Coxy said:
thats totally untrue. i went to a world dance event at canning town docks with my mates a few years back wanting to hear some old skool through a big system and we were easily twice as old as most of the people in there - possibly with the exception of slipmatt.
also - and i know all you hipsters couldn't give a flying one about something so working class and blatantly untrendy - but if you go to any hard house night in the uk it will be full of kids.
Tha Megatron
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Logan Sama said:2 Named DJs playing within a reasonable distance of London would run you £200 a piece.
Take your pick from Cameo, Myself, Maximum, Karnage, Mac 10 or Bossman
4 decent MCs to host/spit on said sets would probably run you £150-£250 a piece
Various local djs or your mates playing the warm up slots....
Flyering would run you differeing amounts depending on what you decided the necessary volume would be.
Radio/Magazine ads are optional yet effective.
All in all you'd need about 2-3 grand to put on a night
And unless it was marketed to the more intrigued music connoisseur, rather than the grime fan, you would probably have trouble getting clearance for the night from the police, and would most likely need security, bringin costs up higher.
So you'd need to find a venue with a capacity that could recoup that, which is hard as they don't want garage of any form in most places, let alone big, successful ones.
I think the only reason Sidewinder makes decent money is the tape packs.
And that's why it's difficult to put on nights ourselves
man if that money was turned into US currency Id be a poor man. Especially if no one showed up to my event!
I think one thing that also keeps grime from spreading in terms of money is the exchange rate. DJs from the US have to pay double what the vinyl is worth in the UK so it drives the average dj away unless theyre downloading tunes legally or illegally to play digitally. Also The average US consumer who shops for CDs usually arent keen om spending money on imports since they are usually priced at $20-30 most of the time. Alot of them figure why pay that much when they can cop the new Missy album for $10 or less?
I dont think Grime is becoming a cheapend, less innovative sound. I kinda wish it was a bit cheaper to buy though. But im feeling alot of the beats coming out.
mega
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kingofcars
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Logan Sama said:
some of my friends went to see lady sov last night at the knitting factory - here in the states, apparently grime summons nothing but music critics, internet nerds, and nyu students....
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captain easychord
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kingofcars said:
in toronto it summons the above plus a healthy smattering of lapsed junglists.
that's really a drag about the party situation in london. do you really need special permission from the police to do any old bar/club show? that seems a bit much.
re: the corporate grime mentality. this is bad bad news.
Logan Sama
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Lady Sov isn't grime though
Clubberlang
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As far as Americans are concerned she's close enough.
kingofcars
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Clubberlang said:
for better or worse, thats true....at the very least, she's marketed as such here.
i really don't know a thing about grime, personally.
Clubberlang
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She was on the biggest domestically released grime comp. Grime people guest on and also produce and remix her tracks. I don't think it's just a "marketing" thing.
DJ Lioness
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greeneyes said:
lol
For what its worth
The Roll Deep album and the Kano album with both on special display at a Tower Records in Northern Virginia. It is certainly not a special T.R. where they push 'new' stuff or anything. I imagine them being a chain and everything that most towers in the states are doing the same thing.
I remember Simon Reynolds having numbers for how Dizzee's and Wiley's albums sold in the states. Does anyone (Simon) have numbers for Roll Deep and Kano?
The Roll Deep album and the Kano album with both on special display at a Tower Records in Northern Virginia. It is certainly not a special T.R. where they push 'new' stuff or anything. I imagine them being a chain and everything that most towers in the states are doing the same thing.
I remember Simon Reynolds having numbers for how Dizzee's and Wiley's albums sold in the states. Does anyone (Simon) have numbers for Roll Deep and Kano?
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Clubberlang said:
By that line of reasoning, would you say Plan B and Sway were grime artists?
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Shill, Shill!
Nah, when I say acts aren't Grime acts, that doesn't preclude them from being good, or even stop me from acknowledging that they collaborate with grime artists to make the odd grime tune.
But Lady Sovereign, Sway, Klashnekoff, The Mitchells and Skinner aren't really part of the Grime scene. Although i know some of them do really like the stuff and are eager to work with the artists and producers
Nah, when I say acts aren't Grime acts, that doesn't preclude them from being good, or even stop me from acknowledging that they collaborate with grime artists to make the odd grime tune.
But Lady Sovereign, Sway, Klashnekoff, The Mitchells and Skinner aren't really part of the Grime scene. Although i know some of them do really like the stuff and are eager to work with the artists and producers
Logan Sama said:
it's cool bro i know what you mean and i agree. all the artists you list aren't members of the grime scene, but as the sound expands globally, what 'grime' means is different things to different people, as people who can't see that Sov isn't from grime attests.
people are just using 'grime' as a way to get hype and differentiate them from being british hip hop artists. but some people who DO make grime wouldnt qualify according to the criteria stated in that pitchfork piece. i mean, if virus syndicate were from london and didnt have those manc accents, theyd be accepted as grime. maybe not from the 'scene', but the sound is still grime/dubstep-ish.