henrymiller
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me: what i am saying is precisely that you CAN'T generalise these (ascribed) motives or feelings to muslims in the west at large, ie in leeds.
k-punkYou can quite clearly ascribe them to SOME people in Leeds, i.e. Muhammad Sadique Khan, Shezhad Tanweer etc.
yeah -- exactly: you can't generalize *from* the leeds bombers to other muslims in the west (or indeed in the muslim world -- the kurds being my convenient example). i have gone too far in the opposite direction, and indeed i must be doing something wrong, in that i agree with today's polly toynbee article!
yes. the morality of the entire afghanistan episode in the cold war is too depressing to contemplate. basically, a terrible invasion by a terrible dictatorship matched by an nightmarish islamic theocracy backed by christian fundamentalists. there are many wrongs and few rights. but the people who provided a home for AQ were still fair targets after 9/11. this is inconsistent, but i can't see any other answer. the whole history of us foreign policy is having to burn former friends when they go off the reservation.
k-punkYou can quite clearly ascribe them to SOME people in Leeds, i.e. Muhammad Sadique Khan, Shezhad Tanweer etc.
yeah -- exactly: you can't generalize *from* the leeds bombers to other muslims in the west (or indeed in the muslim world -- the kurds being my convenient example). i have gone too far in the opposite direction, and indeed i must be doing something wrong, in that i agree with today's polly toynbee article!
OK, so by this logic, surely the USA - which, as you admit backed the Taliban - should also have bombed itself?
yes. the morality of the entire afghanistan episode in the cold war is too depressing to contemplate. basically, a terrible invasion by a terrible dictatorship matched by an nightmarish islamic theocracy backed by christian fundamentalists. there are many wrongs and few rights. but the people who provided a home for AQ were still fair targets after 9/11. this is inconsistent, but i can't see any other answer. the whole history of us foreign policy is having to burn former friends when they go off the reservation.