shakahislop
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rishi sunak always looks like he wants to smack his opponent in the face. it was the same when he was debating liz truss. there's a concealed frustration.
General election 2024
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
TBF I imagine Truss could drive anyone to the point of wanting to smack her in the face if they stopped to ask her the time.
Mr. Tea
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It's like he actually wants to lose.
What's he going to do for an encore? Publicly describe Margaret Thatcher as an ugly slag?
mixed_biscuits
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Why am I not surprised on this site that, as the only true progressive, it's up to me to remind people that because of the insidious influence of systemic racism and the inevitable alliance of white supremacists to the principal white candidate's cause votes should be automatically docked from Labour's ticket. It is a trifle suspicious that whereas we gladly use affirmatively active debiasing on exam scores, job applications, and media representation there is no such correction - nor candidate anonymisation - for the most important job of all.
Shame on you, Britain. Shame.
Shame on you, Britain. Shame.
mixed_biscuits
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A simple callibration might involve asking the electorate whether, knowing nothing else about the candidates, they would vote for a white candidate or a brown candidate. When they return 80% white we know that a labour vote needs to be divided by 4 to get a non-racist result.
Mr. Tea
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mixed_biscuits
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Oh, the man who uses the 'company you keep' accusation more than anyone suddenly finds voting in line with white supremacists totally unproblematic.
Mr. Tea
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Remind me how much of a fuss you were making when black citizens who'd lived here for sixty years were being told to "go home" because they didn't have the right "papers."
mixed_biscuits
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Oh, you made a fuss about that but not about this?
Mr. Tea
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What's "this", exactly? Your asinine assertion that for a white person not to support a non-white politician is inevitably "racist", no matter how reactionary or incompetent that politician is? A strawman of a position that nobody anywhere on the left actually takes?
I can't believe you're not already writing for the Speccy with satire of this quality.
mixed_biscuits
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Oh, that shibboleth 'competence'. Thank you for your contribution, Elon.
mixed_biscuits
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A victory for Starmer will embolden the racists.
The left go on about representation - rightly so - but the first thing when a POC gets the top job is that they want to get rid of him!!
The left go on about representation - rightly so - but the first thing when a POC gets the top job is that they want to get rid of him!!
Mr. Tea
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Ahhh, so a non-white PM can't be held to the same standards of ability as a white one because... why, exactly?
mixed_biscuits
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You just don't get it: voting is supposed to be about competence but there'll be swathes of the electorate voting for Starmer not because of competence (he's completely untried as a PM after all) but because he's the same colour as them. This means there needs to be a countervailing compensatory procedure applied to negate these effectively invalid votes and find what the true judgement of competence is. This is EDI 101.
Mr. Tea
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Well for one thing, we have a parliamentary system in this country, not a presidential one, so nobody who doesn't live in Starmer's constituency can actually vote for him, and likewise Sunak.
Mr. Tea
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And for a third, Tory voters (who are disproportionately white - see above) vote Tory in part because they're the party that consistently has the most racist/xenophobic policies, which they've cottoned on to in recent years and have tried to ameliorate by packing the cabinet with non-white MPs in an attempt to help right-wing white voters pretend they're voting for a "progressive" party even while it tries to deport asylum seekers to a country with a terrible human rights record in contravention of international law.
I'd have hoped very few people would be stupid enough to fall for such an obvious ploy, but apparently in at least one case it's worked an absolute treat.
I'd have hoped very few people would be stupid enough to fall for such an obvious ploy, but apparently in at least one case it's worked an absolute treat.
mixed_biscuits
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I think they've resigned themselves to the fact that Labour will never have a non-white non-male leader.
mixed_biscuits
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Oh, so those debates between Starmer and Sunak are just to decide who becomes MP of Holborn and St Pancras or Richmond. The fact is Labour seem quite happy with accepting an electoral process that promises them a considerable racist bounce. Okay, perhaps we can't, for some unknown reason, reconfigure the election to follow even rudimentary EDI debiasing measures but, knowing that, Labour should distance themselves from a broken, racist voting setup by somehow finding their own leader of colour and making it a level playing field. That they don't do this yet again shows how they're willing to benefit from racism and shows that a Starmer victory will be both morally invalid (as a part expression of racism) and practically invalid (as a test of perceived competence has been undermined by the persistence of a colour bar).
The Conservatives will be morally obliged to declare a Labour victory null and void and assume ongoing stewardship of the country until the egregious EDI flaws have been corrected or Labour has somehow convinced a person of colour to stand as leader.