Benny Bunter
Well-known member
Key point Hitchens made - you're a mug if you vote for reform or any of the other minor parties in order to "punish" the Tories - all you'll get is Starmer, which will be like the Tories only much worse
General election 2024
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
Other key point - you shouldn't vote FOR anyone,you have to learn how to vote AGAINST what you don't want, even if that means holding your nose.
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
We all hate the Tories obviously, that goes without saying
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
They're really going to have to pull all the stops out to be worse than the shower of cunts we've had for the last 14 years.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Nah, @mixed_biscuits thinks they've done a bang-up job of running the country, Sunak in particular, and the only reason anyone could have for not supporting him is WACISM (if they're white) or INTERWANISED WACISM (if they're not).
Benny Bunter
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Does he? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd have thought everyone here agrees the Tories are shit.
mixed_biscuits
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The kind of people who say wacist are the kind of people who can't type 'clown world' properly. When I'm progressive they are utterly deplorable.
mixed_biscuits
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Mr Tea doesn't read because he thinks black and white can't be on the same page.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
There remains the distinct possibility that he doesn't think any such thing and merely pretended to in order to wind me up, of course.
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
Ar least you more or less know what you're gonna get with the Tories,as feckless as they are. No one really knows what Starmer and co will do, but I think this idea of him being 'wet' is wrong. And that Rachel Reeves gives me the creeps.
Benny Bunter
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I'd say this new Labour lot are particularly untrustworthy, and as Hitchems pointed out, could cynically try and make constitutional changes (like votes for 16 year olds) that'll make them a lot harder to get rid of in the future.
I wasn't much of a fan of Corbyn either, but at least you know where you stood with him. This lot are shifty and dishonest. Never thought I'd say it, but I'd rather the Tories stayed in this time round than that.
I wasn't much of a fan of Corbyn either, but at least you know where you stood with him. This lot are shifty and dishonest. Never thought I'd say it, but I'd rather the Tories stayed in this time round than that.
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
14 years sounds like a lot, and it is a pretty long time and indeed the Tories have been useless in all that time, but you could argue a lot of the big problems we have now date back to the Blair government, which the Tories have just sort of lamely continued. People aren't as excited this time around as they were when Blair first got in partly cos Starmer is a boring public figure, but they don't seem that much different - I wouldn't trust them with making any big, drastic changes which they might well do, especially if they get a big majority.
In short, the Tories are awful but it's better the devil you know, this time round at least
In short, the Tories are awful but it's better the devil you know, this time round at least
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
In fact, I'd go as far to say any people who liked and supported Corbyn would be better off voting Tory this time around.
version
Well-known member
That seems to be the argument every time around. There's always some ill-defined sense the latest iteration of Labour will lead to a hypothetical doomsday scenario, meanwhile the Tories do actual damage and it gets downplayed and waved away in lieu of continuing to fantasise about how much worse Labour would be.
Remember when we were told Corbyn was poised to carry out Stalinist purges any minute? Remember what actually happened? Boris purged the Tories of dissenters. Remember when Miliband was branded 'Red Ed' because he proposed a cap on energy prices? Remember what actually happened? Theresa May implemented the cap.
I don't even like Labour that much, but the double standard is ridiculous.
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
What is it do you think Labour will actually do if they get in with a large majority? I think it's too big a risk to take, as things lie.
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
Well, you did say you think it'll be business as usual. I'm not so sure.
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
Apart from the votes for 16 year olds thing, they might go for PR as well, knowing it would disadvantage the Tories in future elections. They'll say it's because it's a fairer system of course.
