IdleRich

IdleRich
My entire understanding of pivot mixing contained above. I saw an example where you can mix two songs at different bpms if you get them at a certain raio to wach other cos one will sound like triplets in the other. Or something. But I saw an example lacking the overarching theory... not that I'll probably ever do it, but if anyone cares to explain properly...
 

Murphy

cat malogen
Maybe a mix like Coldcut’s 70Mins of Madness illustrates it at some level, before the term eclectic was folded into Norman Cook-esque brigade’s crimes against sound
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
My entire understanding of pivot mixing contained above. I saw an example where you can mix two songs at different bpms if you get them at a certain raio to wach other cos one will sound like triplets in the other. Or something. But I saw an example lacking the overarching theory... not that I'll probably ever do it, but if anyone cares to explain properly...
Does this work with artists other than A Certain Ratio, though?
 

0bleak

Well-known member
It seems that what is being done here


is kind of different than the 3/4 ratio
I saw an example where you can mix two songs at different bpms if you get them at a certain raio to wach other cos one will sound like triplets in the other. Or something.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
it's all about common maths.

5-6 or 3-4 etc etc.

I tend to just stick to double time mixing personally because I always tend to know what tracks don't mix together in my head, so finding tracks at the right ratios can be annoying. This might be because I'm not a good single mood dj though. I get quite adhd on the decks and have to keep switching up from minimal to maximal etc.

or you can just mix using a beatless ambient loop in the incoming track and dub delay out of the out going track.

It seems much more intuitive if you mix visually than by ear.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
or you can just mix using a beatless ambient loop in the incoming track and dub delay out of the out going track.

Yeah, I was thinking why not just pull up the tune at the old tempo, set off a load of explosion / dub siren / machine gun sound effects and MC chat and then just go straight into a tune with a strong intro at the new tempo. But maybe I don't appreciate the craft of DJing on the same level as these people.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Yeah, I was thinking why not just pull up the tune at the old tempo, set off a load of explosion / dub siren / machine gun sound effects and MC chat and then just go straight into a tune with a strong intro at the new tempo. But maybe I don't appreciate the craft of DJing on the same level as these people.

different approaches I think. Only really works with house music when you start going into dystopian UK mutations with tearing bass and ragga chatter. or really dark ny garage.
 

0bleak

Well-known member
it's all about common maths.

not so common for me when we start getting into stuff like like that pivot guy does with 5/6 ratios where it sounds like a 5/16 loop in the first track and 6/16 in the second track.
er, no thanks!

I tend to just stick to double time mixing

You're gonna get up to extratone real quick if you keep that up without some same time or halftime mixing thrown in :p
Speaking of which, there might be something close to extratone in the new mix tomorrow at the end after a BMB track!

or you can just mix using a beatless ambient loop in the incoming track and dub delay out of the out going track.

or a 1 beat loop of whatever track you're mixing out and just pitch it up or down as needed - a lot of that kind of stuff often sounds like cheap novelty stuff to my ears though
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
yeah the guy who did the pivot mixing sounded awkward. the ccl approach makes much more sense, technically. that other guy was mixing a 140 loopy techno into 168 bpm psytrance, no thanks.
 

0bleak

Well-known member
I make kind of a similar transition bpm amount in the new mix as that pivot guy above (but in the other direction) without using any tools or effects or anything besides a hard pitch slam in the "break" section of a track (wouldn't necessarily call it an ambient section though, I dunno) that I think really almost sounds like it was originally produced that way - and without any math!
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yeah, I was thinking why not just pull up the tune at the old tempo, set off a load of explosion / dub siren / machine gun sound effects and MC chat and then just go straight into a tune with a strong intro at the new tempo. But maybe I don't appreciate the craft of DJing on the same level as these people.
Yeah there are loads of alternative options and I'm very unlikely to ever do tbis. Still, I feel that this is something we'll within my ability to understand if given a proper explanation, so I'd just like to read and grasp the theory even if I don't care about using it.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I make kind of a similar transition bpm amount in the new mix as that pivot guy above (but in the other direction) without using any tools or effects or anything besides a hard pitch slam in the "break" section of a track (wouldn't necessarily call it an ambient section though, I dunno) that I think really almost sounds like it was originally produced that way - and without any math!


 

0bleak

Well-known member
I'm confused about it, too.
He says he's using a 16-step sequencer, but he seems to be saying he's somehow creating a 5/6 loop in a 16 step sequencer - huh?
The 3/4 one makes much more sense to me.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
a lot of mixing is about texture. you can make a lot of things sound good if the texture is the same or similar. otherwise they just turn into gimmics.

It's why I have a very EQ abusive way of djing.
 

0bleak

Well-known member
a lot of mixing is about texture. you can make a lot of things sound good if the texture is the same or similar. otherwise they just turn into gimmics.

It's why I have a very EQ abusive way of djing.

I don't do much eqing besides bass swapping which seems to work fine to my ears most of the time (ok, sometimes I should have done a little more, but whatever).
 
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