Socialist Dystopias

blissblogger

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By which I mean, not dystopias as imagined by socialists (there are plenty of these - The Space Merchants, by Frederick Pohl and C.M. Kornbluth, imagines a near-future dominated by advertising agencies and megacorporations, overpopulated and resource-depleted... Pohl and Kornbluth belonged to a cabal of American s.f. writers called the Futurians many of whom were Communists.... They also wrote Gladiator-At-Law, which is similarly anti-capitalist) (the film Rollerball also springs to mind - workers salute the corporation anthem each morning, peons gawp at bloody gladiatorial spectacles)

No, I mean dystopias imagined by conservatives of a State-dominated, workerist future.

These include

Evelyn Waugh - Love Among the Ruins - "a satire set in a dystopian, quasi-egalitarian" future Britain - clearly inspired by Attlee's government and the Welfare State, although by the time it was published Churchill had been reelected)

Anthony Burgess - 1985 (written mid-70s, imagines a trade union dominated U.K.)

1990 (a TV series of late 70s, which imagines a state-controlled leftist U.K. in which the problem is not illegal immigration but illegal emigration - doctors etc smuggling themselves to USA where they can get paid five times the pittance they get paid by N.H.S.)

Anthony Burgess - A Clockwork Orange (not as overt as 1985 but grim flatblocks, streets overrun by youth gangs, and Soviet influence on pop culture and slang)

Yevgeny Zamyatin - We. (He had been a Bolshevik and then became quickly one of the first Soviet dissidents - this imagining of a police state and total survelliance society was banned by the Soviet government)

Kingsley Amis - Russian Hide and Seek (a former Communist, left the Party because of Hungary, quickly became a right wing curmudgeon - this book imagines U.K a century into the future after its conquest by the U.S.S.R.)


Can anyone think of other examples?
 

blissblogger

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A couple of subgenres and side-genres:

anti-socialist alternative history

In the 1939 collection If It Had Happened Otherwise (scholars and historians - including Churchill - engaging in counterfactual parlor games, "if the South won the Civil War", "if Napoleon escaped from Elba" etc), an essay by Ronald Knox ponders "If The General Strike Had Succeeded" and describes a communist Britain, using the format of imaginary articles and columns from The Times.

anti-feminist science fiction

Edmund Cooper - Gender Genocide

Thomas Berger - Regiment of Women

Parley J. Cooper - The Feminists

Ronnie Barker and Ronnie Corbett did a ridiculous Two Ronnies 'special series' about a world run by women, called
 
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blissblogger

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The Wanting Seed I read as a teenager - and got a copy again recently but not reread. It's about overpopulation, right? Is the future explicitly socialist?
 

blissblogger

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Atlas Shrugged - hadn't realised that was set in the future. But then I know little about Rand apart from her influence on Rush and on techbro disruptor types.
 

blissblogger

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I suppose a lot of alt-right type literature must have this quality - conspiracy theory is a kind of future-present dystopian hallucination.

Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream is an unclassifiable one - an alt-history where failed painter Hitler emigrates to the USA and becomes a graphic artist and then novelist in the subworld of early science fiction magazines and comic books. The Iron Dream is the dire book of sword 'n 'sorcery fantasy that he writes that becomes a cult bestseller. The bulk of Spinrad's book consists of this godawful potboiler, which is an Aryan fantasy of heroic warriors against faceless orc-like hordes. Spinrad is laboriously taking the piss out of sword 'n' sorcery / fantasy - from the vantage point of serious s.f. writer - and highlighting its submerged - or in fact fairly blatant and legible - libidinal economy of fascist desire.

In the set up for the book, though, the backdrop is that Europe - in the historical absence of a "strong" fascist Germany - has been overrun by the Soviets.
 

hmg

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The Wanting Seed I read as a teenager - and got a copy again recently but not reread. It's about overpopulation, right? Is the future explicitly socialist?

It's an odd one. The Cyclical nature of culture, cannibalism and gay police state tyranny.
 

blissblogger

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Ah, never heard of that Lionel Shriver book - so it's definitely from a right-wing perspective?

The Guardian review of it mentions a collapsed US economy / currency and a ban on people leaving the country with more than $100. Which does sound a bit like 1990 and its restrictions on emigration, or the kind of things a Benn-ite Labour government might have tried to stop a run on the banks.
 

blissblogger

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I suppose Brave New World might count since it's a society where everything is planned - from before birth. Then again, it's a critique of a society oriented around pleasure and distraction, which correlates with a more Leftist-Brit critique of 'admass' society, American consumer capitalism, Hollywood etc.

I don't actually know what Aldous Huxley's politics were - a mandarin belief in liberty, freethinking and spiritual evolution?
 

hmg

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Ah, never heard of that Lionel Shriver book - so it's definitely from a right-wing perspective?

The Guardian review of it mentions a collapsed US economy / currency and a ban on people leaving the country with more than $100. Which does sound a bit like 1990 and its restrictions on emigration, or the kind of things a Benn-ite Labour government might have tried to stop a run on the banks.
Yeah, there's a Latino president, US loses all status in the world, specifically through a devaluation of the dollar, the middle class are annihilated. She's no socialist
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
@blissblogger - it's my understanding that Zamyatin intended We as much as a critique of the Fordist/Taylorist doctrines of 'scientific time management' that were current in the major industrial capitalist counties at the time (including the UK, where he lived and worked for a couple of years before returning to Russia in the year of the Revolution) as much as of the emerging Soviet totalitarianism.
 

Mr. Tea

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I think I'm going to write a dystopian satire titled Wee, about a totalitarian future in which it's illegal not to be a watersports fetishist.
 

blissblogger

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I think I'm going to write a dystopian satire titled Wee, about a totalitarian future in which it's illegal not to be a watersports fetishist.

WeWorks (as televised in WeCrashed) is kind of a touchy-feely capitalist utopia-dystopia - self-optimization, positivity, shared workspace, vibes.... The company's employee rally-call “Thank God it’s Monday” has a Ministry of Truth / 1984 quality - common sense turned inside out.
WE HAVE WAYS OF MAKING YOU ENJOY YOUR WORK - SO MUCH YOU'LL BE SAD WHEN THE WEEKEND COMES AROUND.
 
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