william_kent

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Yeah maybe something like that, at least in the early 60s. Later it gets more complicated

certainly does - it's not a clear cut good / evil thing really - early Beatles were doing a lot of speed in Hamburg and there is the whole smack thing later plus Crowley on the cover of that godawful music hall pastiche album they did
 

0bleak

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Reminder as you toot this horn that e.g. jazz doesn't exist without the European classical tradition, and Irish ballads heavily influenced the development of blues. Influence is always a two-way street, and while yes absolutely early & midcentury black artists/acts didn't get the recognition they deserved, 20th century rock/pop is the product of a really complex series of hybridizations, and not the simple "white popularizers profiting off black innovators" dynamic often presented.

Something I personally experienced after moving to Greenville, SC (where people ironically had the nerve to talk shit about me being from Kentucky) - I got so much shit about being into rap (or as some called it, "n***** music") then I walk into school one day and the same people that gave me so much shit are now suddenly playing The Beastie Boys.
I'm like, you gotta be f*cking kidding me.
And there was also still other f*cked up shit going on at the time - this is the 80s we're talking about so not just "early-midcentury" black artists.
For example, early MTV refused to play video by black artists until the record companies started threatening to pull all of their music - It's also interesting that MTV were making their money after the second british "new wave" of popular white musicians - as if there wasn't already enough good music to go around.
And this is soon after the disco backlash which was primarily white rock fans throwing a fit over black, female and "queer" music eclipsing rock music which was now white.
 

Benny Bunter

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certainly does - it's not a clear cut good / evil thing really - early Beatles were doing a lot of speed in Hamburg and there is the whole smack thing later plus Crowley on the cover of that godawful music hall pastiche album they did
I love sgt pepper tbh but I know what you mean
 

Murphy

cat malogen
Go to the school panto and the thread is already 7 pages, have to go through at work coalface

Few of my Mum’s favourites changing down through the gears, she’s been to dozens of stones gigs - will email her for more forensic analysis and try not to repost what’s already been listed




 

IdleRich

IdleRich
This is so dumb I'm sorry I like your thread benny but this is the dumbest thing I've ever watched, I knew The Who were considered mid but didn't know why

I was once told a story by this guy about how he saw a clip like the above before his primary school recorder recital. Enthused by what they'd witnessed he and another guy smashed up their recorders at the end of the 'gig' in front of the whole school and parents. Dragged off for a bollocking from the headmaster they explained why they had done it and apparently the head was laughing too much to tell them off.
 
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