Spendy liveblogs "Jim Morrison: Secret Teacher of the Occult"

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Wyld quotes Blake on poet-magicians:

"Does a firm persuasion that a thing is so, make it so? ...All the poets believe it does. And in ages of imagination, this firm persuasion removes mountains; but many are not capable of a firm persuasion of anything."

The old idea that magic is the mind altering reality—use of the imagination, and other strange unmapped psychic energy fields, to change the world. "All communication is manipulation." Vibework. Charisma. Emotional energy.

I remember watching a documentary on that vegetarian cult in LA in the 70s, several initiates described, upon meeting the cult leader (Father Yod?) for the first time, having a vision of him as blinding sungod, sunking

Eliot Cowan on sub-atomic behaviour:

""in observing a "particle," it is impossible to determine both its momentum and its location at the same time, because the very act of observing a characteristic causes it to leap out of the probable state and become actual. All other characteristics are still merely probabilities at that moment. To put this another way, energy has certain tendencies. The moment we look for one of those tendencies, it manifests itself, while all other tendencies remain latent. This is a bit like getting to know a person. If you provoke someone's anger, their tendency to express affection cannot be observed at the same time. One might say that energy knows when it is being watched, and it behaves to fulfill our expectations Energy responds to us. It is conscious."

 

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have I ever mentioned my love of "rock biography"?

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@sus - have you ever read this one? ( edit: No One Here Gets Out Alive )

in my top ten ( rock biographies ) for sure, because it is hilarious - a teenage fanboy looks over Jim's racist tendencies ***** and wanks off over his pissed stained leather trousers

edit: so yeah, Jim might not be the first "secret teacher of the occult" to die in a bathtub due to smack overdose, and I'm sure he won't be the last

"break on thru to the otherside!"

I'm sort of being sarky because I love live tunes where it just breaks down to drums and bass and some egotistical guy grabs the mic and argues with the audience

"SHUT UP!"

"SSSSSHHHH"



When the music's over DOORS ABSOLUTELY LIVE



Alternative TV - Alternatives

( I'm sure I posted some anecdote about tripping to this ATV record in a squat some other time? @martin identified one of the guys on the mic who was getting a bit emotive as far as I can remember )

***** - I'm being kind here. it is positively painful to read when they mention how teenage Jim shouted out "FUCK OFF N word" on a bus during civil rights era because he wanted to sit on the back seat and the co-authors are trying to excuse it as an act of transgression rather than simple racism

Read this when a teenager and immediately went out and bought their greatest hits.

 

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Ah

 

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Yes IDK when people start talking about quantum mechanics I think. I dunno. I don't think the physicists even know what to make of quantum mechanics, are we really sure that the late author and healer of Plant Spirit Medicine understands

 

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I've heard smart people say that quantum undecidability is just an artifact of our mathematical abstraction systems, and then other people think it implies many worlds, IDK

I feel like, basically. That these effects and dynamics. You don't need quantum it isn't necessary in the xplanation for how these things work? You just need living beings responding to each other in subtle sophisticated unconscious ways.

 

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Sorry Catalog you and rumdrunk will kent are the only people to engage with this thread so I feel awful disagreeable but

 

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I think this same principle has been explained to me in so many ways, but cowan's formulation is one that resonates with me right now.

The other one I really like is Alan moore's:

From Gold Street over the dual carriageway of Horsemarket, more horse-power stampeding there now than ever, where a left turn would lead down towards the Fritz Lang horror of the Carlsberg Brewery. It was in the Copenhagen branch of this establishment that physicist Niels Bohr first formulated his axiom that all our observations of the universe can only be seen, in the last analysis, as observations of ourselves and our own processes. A haunting notion, hard to write off as the product of one Special Brew too many, and as true concerning observations of a town as when relating to the cosmos, or the hidden quanta.

Voice of the Fire

Alan Moore Voice of the Fire 1996

theanarchistlibrary.org

 

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I think I get your argument against this notion, but let's just check.

Are you saying that this way of looking at subatomic behaviour is incorrect, as a thing in itself, or are you saying its incorrect to infer from this that actual human behaviour works in the same way.

Or are you saying both are incorrect?

Or are you saying something else altogether?

 

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Best doors album is American prayer, where it's got the live bootlegs.

"Im a sagittarius, the most creative of all the signs..."

 

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There's a good bit of dissensus where bliss blog and luke go up against padraig and droid as to wherlther doors are good or not

 

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There's a good bit of dissensus where bliss blog and luke go up against padraig and droid as to wherlther doors are good or not

Link?

 

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Re quantum

It's not so much about incorrect or correct just that these are all possible interpretations of mathematical results

And also that interpersonal reflexivity (observer effect) is a separate effect from quantum observability. Yes there is an analogy that can be drawn between everyday reflexivity and one possible interpretation of the quantum realm but the former doesnt rest or rely upon the latter

 

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Rather, new age writers in the 20th C who already believed the the universe was made out of mind latched onto this one possible interpretation of quantum maths, which they at best half understdoo, as some ultimate "scientific" proof of their worldview. Which is a load of rubbish.

 

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Yes, but it does also correlate very nicely onto "structural" thought as in levi-strauss, and from there to post-struck like foucault and D&G, no?

As in, levi-strauss turned anthropological thought on its head. Everyone was saying, this tribe has an eagle as its totem, this one has an elk. There is something functional about the Eagle and elk.

He said eagle is to elk as a is to b.

The only thing that matters is that one is different to the other.

And from there you get to moral relativism.

And yes, it's quite obviously wrong, in a very simple way, cos it eases intrinsic value.

But it's a big insight no?

And you couple it with the quantum stuff (and I actually agree with you, it's shaky sands cos no-one "proper" would ever simply like Moore and Cowan have) and there's a link right?

Cos it's saying the thing doesn't matter, what matters is the simple observation of it, the placing of it within a system?

 

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There's a good bit of dissensus where bliss blog and luke go up against padraig and droid as to wherlther doors are good or not

I think this is year zero but it got rehashed a lot

Post in thread 'the hardcore continuum' https://www.dissensus.com/threads/4712/post-345822

 

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Rather, new age writers in the 20th C who already believed the the universe was made out of mind latched onto this one possible interpretation of quantum maths, which they at best half understdoo, as some ultimate "scientific" proof of their worldview. Which is a load of rubbish.

I absolutely agree with this and consider it the "what went wrong with the 60s" ie a lot of half baked inferences of readings and no ones actually went back and properly checked it.

Retro engineered to fit what they saw as reality

 

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Best doors album is American prayer, where it's got the live bootlegs.

"Im a sagittarius, the most creative of all the signs..."

I think L.A. Woman's my favourite. I got really into 'The Changeling' a few months back after watching that short Varda film of Pasolini walking round NYC.

 

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I think L.A. Woman's my favourite. I got really into 'The Changeling' a few months back after watching that short Varda film of Pasolini walking round NYC to it.

Not seen it, nice one, will chek

 

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Which brings to mind Whitman's Leaves of Grass. Or the classic image of acid at Woodstock: laid out on the lawn, sunglassing reflecting two twin suns. I have noticed in some of @luka's poems an ecstatic cosmic communion mediated by grass. There is a way the blades like tendrils come up and greet and surround you and engulf you, a bed of connections while you face toward solar energy

The original shag carpet

 

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Every post is a potential battery if you have the equipment to hook up to it right, receive the charge

The trick is for compatible batteries to find each other