@thirdform, do you see postmodernism as a useful term or idea? Do you think it corresponds to something material?
no.
@thirdform, do you see postmodernism as a useful term or idea? Do you think it corresponds to something material?
What about modernism?
Yes, but modernism comes up against its limit. I can only accept the validity of the term postmodern in this sense, as a foreshortened or truncated modernism. But as a definitive rupture or an overcoming, absolutely not. In fact, many theorists of postmodernism cf. Lyotard, Foucault, etc, only end up providing the ultimate justification for democracy (the death of the metanarritive.) The modernistic project will continue until the overcoming of the mode of production which gave rise to it.
stuff like meta modernism, post-post modernism, remodernism, etc, are all hot air.
That goes for periodisation in general.
Lyotard gets a bit of a mauling in the Anderson book. Sounds as though he kept revising his terms whenever the theory fell apart rather than admitting he was wrong, e.g. changing the definition of 'meta-narrative' when it suited him. Apparently the whole thing was really an attack on communism too, that was the meta-narrative he was most concerned with taking down.
The Hegelian meta-narrative's the stumbling block of lots of Marxist stuff I've read. I can get along with starting with material conditions, but the sweeping predictions and envisioning of some sort of future trajectory loses me. It starts to sound like Biblical prophecy. All that End of History kind of talk, the manifestation of the world-spirit, etc. It's interesting, but I struggle to really believe it. I suppose some might argue it's rhetoric and designed to fire people up rather than be some sort of prediction.
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there is no existence without metanarritives.
Marx actually inverts hegel, but if you read books like eating big macs, you will not be able to land on this.
So its the teleology you don't buy into necessarily?I know he inverts Hegel, I talked about it in the Hegel thread a couple of months ago. What I'm saying is the idea some Marxists get from Hegel that history moves towards some sort of goal or endpoint is an issue for me.
I know he inverts Hegel, I talked about it in the Hegel thread a couple of months ago. What I'm saying is the idea some Marxists get from Hegel that history moves towards some sort of specific goal or endpoint is an issue for me.
well, communism is the beginning of human history, not its end.
Its interesting because all three of the competing world orders of the twentieth century (liberalism, marxism, fascism) are teleological. Almost feels like non-teleological modes tend to find equilibrium only at more parochial scales, rather than "world orders" as such.
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Yeah, this is what @sus seemed to be arguing for with his emphasis on the local over the global.