Conception of a 21st Century Mind

[sufi]

Yeah, it's difficult to untangle. I think on some level you have to have been aware of what they're talking about otherwise you'd never have the moment of recognition. The new knowledge is like someone shining a light on something. The thing has to be there in the darkness in the first place for the light to reveal it.

that model of enlightenment does not allow for the revelations to take alternative directions, i think mix biscuits for example finds different stuff in the darkness, he's getting the moments of recognition via the nasty pathways

 

[dilbert1]

You either think of it as a computer or you don’t. Its those people versus everyone else

 

[sufi]

You either think of it as a computer or you don’t. Its those people versus everyone else

isnt that conflict also played out internally in your very brain?

 

[version]

You either think of it as a computer or you don’t. Its those people versus everyone else

Do you think everyone else needs a similarly rigid model to oppose their's?

 

[dilbert1]

isnt that conflict also played out internally in your very brain?

Yeah I guess. Its a silly question whether it is or isn’t a computer. Maybe I’m agnostic about it, its got to be healthy for your brain to put up limits. figure out what to be agnostic about, accepting you’ll be ignorant about things that are wasteful to think about. Coming to those determinations with confidence definitely shapes you as a thinker

 

[dilbert1]

So no @version

 

[version]

that model of enlightenment does not allow for the revelations to take alternative directions, i think mix biscuits for example finds different stuff in the darkness, he's getting the moments of recognition via the nasty pathways

Sufi quite admires him

 

[sufi]

Yeah I guess. Its a silly question whether it is or isn’t a computer. Maybe I’m agnostic about it, its got to be healthy for your brain to put up limits. figure out what to be agnostic about, accepting you’ll be ignorant about things that are wasteful to think about. Coming to those determinations with confidence definitely shapes you as a thinker

the computer model brings with it a rationalising procedural mentality, acceptance of systems, delusions of objectivity,
it's enticing and predatory

 

[thirdform]

I’d never so much as chuck an old timer down a curb! @thirdform

residual liberalism!

 

[thirdform]

that model of enlightenment does not allow for the revelations to take alternative directions, i think mix biscuits for example finds different stuff in the darkness, he's getting the moments of recognition via the nasty pathways

what moments of recognition do you think he's achieved? To me it's the opposite, he cannot see what is coming, and thinks the existing order will last forever.

 

[thirdform]

Yeah I guess. Its a silly question whether it is or isn’t a computer. Maybe I’m agnostic about it, its got to be healthy for your brain to put up limits. figure out what to be agnostic about, accepting you’ll be ignorant about things that are wasteful to think about. Coming to those determinations with confidence definitely shapes you as a thinker

The bourgeoisie no longer doubts to seek — that struggle was useful against the power of the landed aristocracy and the church. Today it doubts to avoid rupture.

Hasn't Cutrone taught you this?

 

[dilbert1]

Yes, the great Obi-Wan Cutrone

 

[thirdform]

Yes, the great Obi-Wan Cutrone

I'm just saying, the idea of the computer model is obviously not dialectical. it can be summarily dismissed, but not for anti-enlightenment or bourgeois agnostic reasons.

 

[version]

I'm just saying, the idea of the computer model is obviously not dialectical. it can be summarily dismissed, but not for anti-enlightenment or bourgeois agnostic reasons.

Why isn't it dialectical? Are there no contradictions within the computer model?

 

[thirdform]

"Sartre did indeed want to affirm that "existence precedes essence", but he refused to see that being precedes consciousness, that it is being that produces consciousness: that Consciousness does not exist, but only the fact to be consciously (Bewusstsein ist bewusstes Sein , said Marx). Therefore consciousness is not an "indeterminate freedom", but a well-defined function and expression of the being that produces it."

 

[sufi]

what moments of recognition do you think he's achieved? To me it's the opposite, he cannot see what is coming, and thinks the existing order will last forever.

yeh those are the conclusions his neurons came up with

 

[thirdform]

Why isn't it dialectical? Are there no contradictions within the computer model?

Being precedes consciousness.

 

[thirdform]

yeh those are the conclusions his neurons came up with

they are erroneous conclusions. He thinks the left is panicking but that's just the old left. He fails to see that the left itself is always essential to capitalist statecraft. It's just prepubescent gloating. repulsive, actually.

 

[dilbert1]

Alternately me, third or biscuits

 

[version]

You get those illustrative explanations of specific functions in the brain too. I remember seeing an explanation of serotonin as working like a tap which drips into a pool ideally kept at a certain level and various drugs and activities essentially turning the tap on and flooding the place, also the pool drying up.