THE GRID

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It's not what he's talking about, but these aerial views, views from which you can discern a grid, bring to mind a line of Anthony Wilden's from System and Structure:

ALL DISSENT MUST BE OF A HIGHER LOGICAL TYPE THAN THAT WITH WHICH IT IS IN CONFLICT.​

 

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dissensus has definitely changed because once upon a time the second post in this thread would have mentioned the sequencer grid, then someone else would have brought up burial

Fire react for the phoenix

 

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ALL DISSENT MUST BE OF A HIGHER LOGICAL TYPE THAN THAT WITH WHICH IT IS IN CONFLICT.

An aspirational motto for Dissensus

 

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Imgs

St Petersburg Florida had some of the more beautiful grids I've seen in suburbs. Images attached.

 

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Think it was all the ribcage canals in particular. Kayak trips from bridge to mangrove isle.

 

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@Murphy I remember c2018 seeing an image much like the crosshatches you posted, claimed to be the oldest found human etching/"art"

Probably a crock of but it does seem the lattice is ancient ancient, as old as anything symbolically speaking (even pretriskelion)

 

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A dedicated student of Suspended Reason mist have tagged this thread "bamboo cage" knowing An-My Lê's photo of a bamboo cage in a Vietnam jungle is one of my touchstones for gridthought.

 

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The image that started my thought on this matter

Was this scaffolded mold for a Grecobronze in Athens Parthenon Museum 2017

It was as if the man were caught in a cage

And yet the frame held him together

 

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He is seamed down the groin.

 

[Murphy]

entropic phenomena seem key, the mind gazing through eyes with near universal modes of cognition including hallucinations from many modes of altered states - grids, ladders, latticing

reductive but reminds me of a ketamine experience where spacetime went two dimensional with white slightly off-shaped blocks of trapeziums and parallelograms

they show consistency of order is usually present even within the mind’s chaos

 

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Entoptic: originating in the eye (or brain) rather than the field of vision (as referent)

"This schema shows the correspondence between entoptic phenomena studied by electrical engineer Knoll, San art (South Africa) and Shoshone Coso art (California). Dowson, Lewis-Williams 1988: p. 206, fig. 1."

 

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They often occur in linear zig-zag patterns, dots, and other abstract shapes, and can be caused by mechanisms including the movement of white blood cells in capillaries in front of the retina or floating coagulations of vitreous jelly within the eye. Other shapes produced by these documented phenomena include hourglass or bow-tie shapes, arcs, squiggly lines, and the “Purkinje Tree”, which is a visual imprint of the blood vessels within one’s own eye that can be seen when light shines into the pupil from an opportune angle. One can also produce a phosphene, or the perception of light and veiny or zig-zag-like lines by applying pressure to the closed eye.[2]

Most of these phenomena are caused by the viewing of a plain, solid background such as a clear sky. Needless to say, the phenomena could easily be encountered in daily life when outdoors. Another interesting phosphene-related visual phenomenon called “Prisoner’s Cinema” is known to occur when one is confined in darkness for extended periods of time. It presents as a “light show” in the darkness that can be amorphous but eventually takes familiar human or animal forms. It has commonly been noted by people practicing intense meditation or activities requiring long-term mental focus, such as pilots, astronauts, and truck drivers.[6] It is easy to imagine how the conditions of life in a cave might produce this effect, and the possible connection to cave art has been noted by researchers.[5] It is certainly reminiscent of some more abstract cave art forms, such as Chauvet Cave’s pointillism-style bison discussed in my post on hand motifs. More interestingly, all of the described entoptic phenomena thus far are also known to be produced by the brain during epileptic fits, migraines, and altered states of consciousness.[1]

 

[GhostofKinski]

If it don’t apply, let it fly (ignore).
The op/topic is over my head. The symbols though are fascinating.

 

[Murphy]

They often occur in linear zig-zag patterns, dots, and other abstract shapes, and can be caused by mechanisms including the movement of white blood cells in capillaries in front of the retina or floating coagulations of vitreous jelly within the eye. Other shapes produced by these documented phenomena include hourglass or bow-tie shapes, arcs, squiggly lines, and the “Purkinje Tree”, which is a visual imprint of the blood vessels within one’s own eye that can be seen when light shines into the pupil from an opportune angle. One can also produce a phosphene, or the perception of light and veiny or zig-zag-like lines by applying pressure to the closed eye.[2]

Most of these phenomena are caused by the viewing of a plain, solid background such as a clear sky. Needless to say, the phenomena could easily be encountered in daily life when outdoors. Another interesting phosphene-related visual phenomenon called “Prisoner’s Cinema” is known to occur when one is confined in darkness for extended periods of time. It presents as a “light show” in the darkness that can be amorphous but eventually takes familiar human or animal forms. It has commonly been noted by people practicing intense meditation or activities requiring long-term mental focus, such as pilots, astronauts, and truck drivers.[6] It is easy to imagine how the conditions of life in a cave might produce this effect, and the possible connection to cave art has been noted by researchers.[5] It is certainly reminiscent of some more abstract cave art forms, such as Chauvet Cave’s pointillism-style bison discussed in my post on hand motifs. More interestingly, all of the described entoptic phenomena thus far are also known to be produced by the brain during epileptic fits, migraines, and altered states of consciousness.[1]

try and read anything Lewis-Williams, wouldn’t say quirky more purity of method and the madness of the evolution of consciousness

If Neanderthals could conjure them and represent such patterns, it pushes their age of such way way back - incremental, boundedness, planning, interrelationships, divisions and counting systems, all foundational structures in the mind of the species

got a bit archaecore, back to the grind

 

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try and read anything Lewis-Williams, wouldn’t say quirky more purity of method and the madness of the evolution of consciousness

I did years ago, The Mind in the Cave; I found his notion of a universal tiered world fascinating

As do other shamanistic peoples throughout the world, the San [or “bushmen”] believe in a realm above and another below the surface of the world on which they live… Concepts of a tiered universe are, of course, not restricted to shamanistic religions. Heaven above, Hell below, and the level of anxious humanity in-between appear in one form or another across the globe. Why should this be so?

…The answer to this question is, I argue, to be found in a set of widely reported mental experiences. These reports come not only from laboratory experiments but also from an extremely broad range of shamanistic (and other) societies.

…In Chapter 4, I described the sensation of passing through a vortex, or tunnel, as subjects move along the intensified spectrum and into Stage 3 of deeply altered consciousness. Tunnel experiences also occur in dreams and near-death experiences. Often there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel.

…Here, I suggest, is the reason why so many peoples around the world believe in passing underground to a subterranean realm. The notion has its origin in altered states of consciousness and then becomes part of socially transmitted culture so that even those who have never experienced the far end of the intensified trajectory accept the beliefs.

…These experiences are the result of the way in which the human brain and nervous system are neurologically constructed and the ways in which they operate electro-chemically in altered states of consciousness. To this extent, the experiences are universal. The precise ways in which they are rationalized are culturally situated and hence differ in some ways from society to society: some people speak of entering caves, others of following the roots of a tree, and still others of going down animal burrows, rather like Alice.

…Another type of sensation also derives from the structure and functioning of the human nervous system. Subjects experience weightlessness and a sensation of rising up that is often associated with attenuation. They feel that they are looking down on their surroundings and that their limbs and bodies are exceedingly long. Throughout the world, these experiences are, understandably enough, rationalized as floating and flying. The most obvious explanation of these sensations is that the subject is flying through the air. Shamanistic flight is, of course, as widely reported as underground journeys.

 

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They often occur in linear zig-zag patterns, dots, and other abstract shapes, and can be caused by mechanisms including the movement of white blood cells in capillaries in front of the retina or floating coagulations of vitreous jelly within the eye. Other shapes produced by these documented phenomena include hourglass or bow-tie shapes, arcs, squiggly lines, and the “Purkinje Tree”, which is a visual imprint of the blood vessels within one’s own eye that can be seen when light shines into the pupil from an opportune angle. One can also produce a phosphene, or the perception of light and veiny or zig-zag-like lines by applying pressure to the closed eye.[2]

Most of these phenomena are caused by the viewing of a plain, solid background such as a clear sky. Needless to say, the phenomena could easily be encountered in daily life when outdoors. Another interesting phosphene-related visual phenomenon called “Prisoner’s Cinema” is known to occur when one is confined in darkness for extended periods of time. It presents as a “light show” in the darkness that can be amorphous but eventually takes familiar human or animal forms. It has commonly been noted by people practicing intense meditation or activities requiring long-term mental focus, such as pilots, astronauts, and truck drivers.[6] It is easy to imagine how the conditions of life in a cave might produce this effect, and the possible connection to cave art has been noted by researchers.[5] It is certainly reminiscent of some more abstract cave art forms, such as Chauvet Cave’s pointillism-style bison discussed in my post on hand motifs. More interestingly, all of the described entoptic phenomena thus far are also known to be produced by the brain during epileptic fits, migraines, and altered states of consciousness.[1]

my dad's a retired optician. I've seen that Purkinje tree effect while being examined. maybe a bit like visiting an anechoic chamber, seeing something always there but never observed.

 

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some people speak of entering caves, others of following the roots of a tree, and still others of going down animal burrows, rather like Alice.

Be interesting if it turned out what was actually happening was some sort of direct experience of the pathways of the brain, like the people shrunk down and exploring the body in Fantastic Voyage.

 

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The vascular system is a lattice or net isn't it

 

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Branching arborescence stuff is related to the grid, visavis networks

I always found espaliered trees interesting. Tree trained (some would say twisted, deformed, enslaved) into a grid.

 

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