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Blackdown said:
well there's that kode9 track 'ice' which certainly has a bit of an acid influence. and i heard something from skream on the stella sessions last night - 'soundtrack' i think it was called - which had a bit of the squelch about it.
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i find it very interesting how protective people feel towards dubstep and what it means to them personally. could this anxiety possibly go the other way and result in a stagnation of progression dictated by the audience-producer feedback loop?
i feel risk taking is hugely important in the development of sound and producers which do so should be applauded. the sonic signifiers of dubstep are still fluid and as kode9 comments in the recent bbc docu-short, dubstep can be anything put on top of sub-bass. so what dubstep is and what it can and will be, are very different things.
i don't think it is particularly healthy for producers to have to deal with the idea of tainting dubstep with the same rot which affected dnb - sonic development should be free. this freeness is surely something we appreicate about dubstep; it's variety and colour. so i would say it is consequently important not to really analyse this too much. (which i've already done :S)
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good post.
i heard the tech itch track on wedge's show and liked it in itself at the time. but i can't really remember it now so i'm not sure how it fits into the larger picture. i would hate to have to deal with moshing and cokey screwfaces at an event though. the dubstep crowd as we've known it is a large part of the draw for me.
if a lot of the more unpleasant dnb heads (trying not to generalise here) get into it i guess there's still a simple way to turn them off: head back towards those aspects of 2step that they've hated for so long.
it seems to happen every time. i think there's less danger in more people experimenting than in fewer people making all the decisions. the music is already out there and it will mutate. it will definitely never be like this (or then) again.boomnoise said:
i heard the tech itch track on wedge's show and liked it in itself at the time. but i can't really remember it now so i'm not sure how it fits into the larger picture. i would hate to have to deal with moshing and cokey screwfaces at an event though. the dubstep crowd as we've known it is a large part of the draw for me.
if a lot of the more unpleasant dnb heads (trying not to generalise here) get into it i guess there's still a simple way to turn them off: head back towards those aspects of 2step that they've hated for so long.
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Blackdown said:
Perhaps i have, perhaps i haven't, it isnt entirely relevant to my point. I dont really care what the overwhelming majority of dnb releases are saying, i care about the sick ones still slotting into my collection. I dont mind if ppl want to mosh or whatever at dnb nights, i just wont go to those ones, ill go to those which i know have the atmosphere and the music i want. All of the above applies to my feelings regarding what happens to 'dubstep'. The necessity of the alarm bells wasnt about whether something is/is not going to happen, but the value/importance that should be attributed to it.
I think a key difference between you and myself is that you have obviously seen it from birth, wheras i am a relative newcomer to the scene (about 2 years ago), and therefore you have a greater degree of emotional investment or attachment to what 'dubstep' as a scene is about. My perspective i suppose is essentially fatalist, but not to the extent that i lose faith in all quarters. We both fear the same thing...creative stagnation, but this surely can occur just as easily by imposing creative restrictions (as boomnoise alluded to), as by any other process.
boomnoise said:
yeah and it's my least favourite kode track
boomnoise said:
i think this is OTM. however i find it hard to ballance the factors between not wanting the sound to go over known sonic mistakes/dead ends and supressing risk taking. a classic example of this are Vex'd - and i've really enjoyed banter about this issue with them. Vex'd sonic trademark's aren't to my personal tastes, but i totally respect that they built an original sound.
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I think an acid direction in dubstep might be a bit like the ragga techno stuff I was doing a few years ago - 909s and 303s but with ragga rhythms. Still mean to do a bit more of that.
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Vex'd is the example isn't it? They still make great tunes but as a sonic pallette it's not the direction I want everything to go in - but you can see why so many people would go for it. Metal.
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One antidote: girl singers on dubstep tracks.
There might be a few of them earlier than you might think.
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Vex'd is the example isn't it? They still make great tunes but as a sonic pallette it's not the direction I want everything to go in - but you can see why so many people would go for it. Metal.
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One antidote: girl singers on dubstep tracks.
There might be a few of them earlier than you might think.
yeah and whether you like it or not there is/will be an underground of metallist dubsteppers, I see if forming already, many of the people coming through from not dnb but *gasp* breakcore or the much derided electronica are pushing that sound pretty heavily. Went to one of 2Krazy's THCell parties here in Berlin a while back, the one where Atomly (also on this board, hi) was playing and was struck by the number of Vex'd or Vex'd sounding tunes that were played. Largely because the crowd was loving it so much, and therefore pulling the DJs a bit that way I might think. I like what they do but also see it as a bit of a retread (in places) of some of the well worn tekstep cliches. And sometimes the distortion (esp in drums) limits the depth of it for me, they're just so explicit and in your face. That said I do enjoy what they do quite a lot, possibly since as a onetime dnb listener I do still have a softspot for some of those twisted mid-range basslines.
As a diversion I think it's pretty interesting watching all the people from different nearby style-boats jumping into grime and dubstep. As a still slightly damp boat jumper myself I'm pretty conscious of it. I see quite a few people though, and it seems like Vex'd has actually been an an access point for many due to the Planet Mu connection, so bigup to them for that. Just got a few tunes from a new act called Cloaks which includes Mick Harris (anyone remember Scorn?) and they're doing some kind of nasty, distorted dubstep. Similar to Vex'd but a bit more brutalitarian and analog, pretty alright if you're into distortion and noise with your sub bass.
As a diversion I think it's pretty interesting watching all the people from different nearby style-boats jumping into grime and dubstep. As a still slightly damp boat jumper myself I'm pretty conscious of it. I see quite a few people though, and it seems like Vex'd has actually been an an access point for many due to the Planet Mu connection, so bigup to them for that. Just got a few tunes from a new act called Cloaks which includes Mick Harris (anyone remember Scorn?) and they're doing some kind of nasty, distorted dubstep. Similar to Vex'd but a bit more brutalitarian and analog, pretty alright if you're into distortion and noise with your sub bass.
SIZZLE said:
i guess now that people are coming to dubstep, without the history of dubstep, from various different scenes and sounds this is inevitable but this ultimately could be a good thing.
SIZZLE said:
!!! can't wait to here this. massive fan of scorn and mick harris. hopefully won't be too long until that sees the light of day.
I think even if these outsider people come and take the sound and do something fucked up and maybe repugnant to its creators with it, well that's just what has happened with music since forever. Look at heavy metal arising out of rock music. Very different impulses and purposes, or for that matter breakcore and raggacore out of ragga jungle and dark jungle. The original creators seemed to lose interest and either started making DnB or disappeared and these german, american, canadian etc kids continued and did something new and fucked up with it. I don't think they're 'hurting' the original scene by doing that, and they're having fun in the process.
2stepfan said:
i was talking to Drop the Lime about this and he said he has a track that is just that...
i just feel like as a sound dubstep is great, but it's very limited... that's why "late night request line" was so massive: it has a fucking melody! i think Vex'd have done very cool things to expand the sonic palate...
in general, i think dubstep is ripe for a Massive Attack style direction, someone taking the foundation of the nasty low and mid range basslines and applying to more of a song based format...
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petergunn said:
Sometime I have no idea what people are referring to when they say dubstep. Do you really think that making dubstep that sounds like distorted drum'n'bass was a particularly cool expansion of the sonic palate? Big deal? At the same time your exclaiming that 'request line' has a melody. Have you actually heard any dubstep? There is loads of stuff with melodies if you listen to some rinse sets that are around just now. I feel you're just showing your ignorance of the music by making some easy assertions, exactly the kind of assertions all previous dubstep haters are making now that it is suddenly cool to like the music. What exactly have you heard?
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FWIW we did a vocal dubstep tune about 4 years ago and witnessed the evolution of dubstep from garage/breaks 6 yrs ago to what it is now from lil ol NZ...
slippin RMX - http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2590
...we even did a tune that sounds remarkably like "lion" but more breaksteppy along with some weird jazzy shit at around the same time, before setttling on the direction we took,
beats over bass and none of that wobbly shit
...so where does that leave us in the general scheme of things ???
dunno, don't care, don't know if we even do dubstep but if we was in london there'd be hell to pay...
...it is weird though hearing/seeing how dubstep has gone from horsepower to luke.envoy even how DMZ has changed from stuff like the steppy pathways ep to their latest offerings
I'm really feeling L-wiz on dubpolice
snippets in the dubplate sectionhttp://www.stormingproductions.com/index2.html
shuffle the deck and let the cards play out I say, the more you try and hold on to something the more it will get taken from you
slippin RMX - http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2590
...we even did a tune that sounds remarkably like "lion" but more breaksteppy along with some weird jazzy shit at around the same time, before setttling on the direction we took,
beats over bass and none of that wobbly shit
...so where does that leave us in the general scheme of things ???
dunno, don't care, don't know if we even do dubstep but if we was in london there'd be hell to pay...
...it is weird though hearing/seeing how dubstep has gone from horsepower to luke.envoy even how DMZ has changed from stuff like the steppy pathways ep to their latest offerings
I'm really feeling L-wiz on dubpolice
snippets in the dubplate sectionhttp://www.stormingproductions.com/index2.html
shuffle the deck and let the cards play out I say, the more you try and hold on to something the more it will get taken from you
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HELL_SD said:
Jesus will you stop pushing your music down everyone's throats. Big deal, a vocal dubstep tune 4 years ago. There was lots of vocal garage of all varieties. You are probably the most irritating person I have ever come across on a forum.
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the tune we did wasn't a variety of garage if you listened to it you'd hear that...
I'm hardly pushing it down peoples throats and why do you let me bother you like that ???
...take me or leave, just like our music
but for fucks sake, enough with your whiney bitchmoaning eh ???
...and my name ain't Jesus
I'm hardly pushing it down peoples throats and why do you let me bother you like that ???
...take me or leave, just like our music
but for fucks sake, enough with your whiney bitchmoaning eh ???
...and my name ain't Jesus
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John Eden texted me yesterday saying that Scorn was his dubstepSIZZLE said:
Great post BTW
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found this on a quick google...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=52508225
...crikey that shit is harsh
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=52508225
...crikey that shit is harsh
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