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[Ned]

Something by Shackleton starts off the new Cassie mix I think.

 

[mms]

yep shackleton is popular with the minimal techo guys, some of the big ones too,
minimal/ dubstep crossover soon come.

 

[gek-opel]

Its interesting that these Minimal DJs are using Dubstep, (everyone remembers Villalobos going nuts for "Request Line") but it seems very much to be in a kind of set opening way, rather than actually fluidly mixing them in at peak time. A dubstep/minimal crossover would be fucking large tho... especially if you end up with some dubstep sonics invading into minimal tunes, and the reverse also. Its certainly one strategic exit point to prevent stagnation perhaps?

 

[gek-opel]

@mms- I really really really hope its imminent....

 

[Don Rosco]

It seems a bit of a no brainer to me - would it be terribly boastful to claim I was doing it a couple of years ago? I don't think so, i'm sure plenty of people have been at that kind of thing for a while. There's already clearly influence from minimal -> dubstep anyway...

 

[gek-opel]

Yeah, it DOES seem like a no-brainer to me, but so have lots of other musical cross breedings but they have never really occurred. There has been some aesthetic cross over (Pinch especially must love his minimal)but there's room for much much more, for dubstep as an anti-digidub sonic corrective, and for minimal a new set of ideas to play with (ie- fat sub would sound so delightful in a pristine plip plop environment).

@Don Rosco- do you know any mixes which mine this seam more thoroughly than a few tunes at the beginning (ie Pinch did this last time I saw him play at DMZ, opening like a subbed up Ritchie Hawtin, but then moving off into more dubstep proper)?

 

[the undisputed truth]

Echoing gek. Could someone please recommend/link me a good minimal techno set ? Dees minmal techno have a defined BPM range which makes it compatible with the 138 dubstep crew ? Anti war dub - DMZ is straight 4 on the floor offset by a skippy 2 step snare pattern, Does that fit into a minimal techno style ?
I always think of techno as stomping 4/4 kicks at 160bpm accompanied by dissonant bleepy and industrial noise. I can't imagine techno being *ahem* soothing ?:slanted:

 

[gek-opel]

Minimal is usually slower than mid-late 90s bangin' techno, now at around 120-135bpm. The BPM question is an interesting one, as the two don't exactly run at similar tempi-- Anti War Dub being a case in point, its faster, and the style of drums are more DJ Shadow goes house (ie- fat maximal sounds, and off centred snare hits) than minimal's precision plip plop or ergonomically shaped post electro drum patterns... one of the best thngs about that track in particular is the way it evades house cliches inspite of its 4 to the floor underpinning.

 

[the undisputed truth]

I hear lot of voodoo ray in antiwardub. That tune when it came out changed my world by managing to avoid a lot of house cliches also in spite of it's strict 4 on the flooring. Would it be fair to say halfstep and wobblebass is to dubstep what 4 on the floor and upright piano was to house ?

I'd love to see digital Mystikz hook up with A Guy Called Gerald and reload Voodoo Ray.

 

[Logos]

Mixing minimal and dubstep is quite tricky I have found. Most dubstep tunes, even the more subtle ones, 'drop' like in jungle, whereas something like sleeparchive, which is obviously very similar aesthetically to (say) Pinch just kind of is, elements might move in and out of view in the arrangement but its all pretty much there to begin with.

Pinch is the closest I've heard dubstep come to the 00s minimal aesthetic, the early part of his DMZ set is pretty much the definitive statement so far. Whereas Mala's stuff seems a lot closer to Laurent Garnier, or early Guy Called Gerald, with his looping chords and beat patterns (Left Leg Out, New Life Baby Paris etc).

 

[lazybones]

richie hawtin's de:9 transitions mix is very good; lots of sleeparchive, villalobos , sahko stuff and so on and so forth. Sleeparchive live PAs are great too - exceedingly minimal, sometimes just a bleep + bass drum... get hold of some Ø though if you want to hear what minimal sounded like in 93.... alot of stuff gets classed as minimal these days purely because the open hi hats are replaced with a click.... http://boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=20132 is a very good record indeed.

most minimal sets i've seen are 120-132ish bpm.... so when villaobos opens with dubstep he'll usually pitch it down a fair bit.... i think its alot more practical on software like ableton - ive been messing around with Pinch's Punisher+wardub and some Geoim with some Sleeparchive and Sahko stuff, if anyone cares to hear the results... not amazing but fairly interesting i reckon im doing it at 128 ish bpm... sounds a bit nasty at 138+....

techno at 160 would be more akin to gabba!! [which i truely despise]

minimal already posses incredibly subby tunes - sleeparchive for one sounds huge through a proper system... i think there is a bit of inadvertent cross-pollination too, for example kromestar's surgery has a minimal bleep as the lead melody, yet he comes from a garage/grime background and he doesn't strike me as much of a fan of say Ø...

Pinch has stated he is a big basic channel fan...


I'm mixing bits of both for the moment and considering were to take things.... its just that an relentless open hi hat at 138bpm sounds a bit grating as does a 4x4 bass drum.....i know anti war dub works though...but hmm??for a sustained amount of time...tis too fast.

I think borrowing from the minimal sonic palette is the way forward for the moment....

 

[Don Rosco]

@Don Rosco- do you know any mixes which mine this seam more thoroughly than a few tunes at the beginning (ie Pinch did this last time I saw him play at DMZ, opening like a subbed up Ritchie Hawtin, but then moving off into more dubstep proper)?

Nope, but i'd love to hear it. I don't have nearly enough minimal stuff to do a 'proper' mix of it, either. Someone get busy and knock one up, eh?

Most dubstep tunes, even the more subtle ones, 'drop' like in jungle, whereas something like sleeparchive, which is obviously very similar aesthetically to (say) Pinch just kind of is, elements might move in and out of view in the arrangement but its all pretty much there to begin with.

That sounds kind of sweet, really - I do love to be surprised behind the decks.

 

[Blackdown]

There's already clearly influence from minimal -> dubstep anyway...

Bits of my tune 'Crackle Blues' was inspired by the Akufen Fabric CD.

Interesting you talk about Qwaali not dropping - i'm sure that was because it was made at the beginning of his career. Still Pinch does have this kind of pointialist approach to his drum that sounds very minimal.

I'm sworn to secrecy but i have heard about some pretty tasty minimal remixes of dubstep tracks in the pipeline

 

[childrentalking]

Its interesting that these Minimal DJs are using Dubstep, (everyone remembers Villalobos going nuts for "Request Line") but it seems very much to be in a kind of set opening way

I don't know if Villalobos went 'nuts' for RL or just played it the once at Fabric and word spread, but I was there and it definitely wasn't played in a set opening way -- he dropped it in at about 8AM. but yeah your point still stands obviously.

 

[boomnoise]

Villalobos played MRL regularly and included it in a number of his top ten charts. Same goes for Shackleton's stuff. I actually had to give Shackleton a cd of his stuff because he didnt have a clue who he was.

But i definitely think the fusion of minimal and dubstep would be an exciting mutation of both sounds. Very interested to hear that there are remixes in the works, Blackdown.

Dubstep has been flying out of hardwax recently fwiw.

 

[Don Rosco]

I'm sworn to secrecy but i have heard about some pretty tasty minimal remixes of dubstep tracks in the pipeline

*wets pants*

 

[Grievous Angel]

Hardwax has been mad for dubstep for a few months now.

Blackdown, are you taling about minimal artists doing remixes of dubstep? Or just "minimal style" dubstep remixes?

I'd like to hear trentemoller doing vex'd and ame doing mala.

 

[childrentalking]

I'd like to see those top ten charts with Request Line in (purely to see what other stuff he was charting around them). I'm a total Villalobos nerd and wasn't aware of him publishing any top tens prior to the Shackleton one.

 

[fandango]

I think I'd prefer more dubsteppers doing remixes of minimal artists than the other way round but I'm not sure why.

Ricardo (& more) charts here: http://www.groove.de/djcharts.php?archiv=1&nat=nat

Ellen Allien had Digital Mystikz "Stuck" in one of hers a while back.

 

[gumdrops]

i read that the ordinary boys are working with plastic man on their new album... i dont think it can be plastic man as in the plastician though... or can it? *shudders*