>Booka Shade, meanwhile, are arguably reviving disco, early UK (acid) house, early trance, early rave and >detroit techno - so their reference points are maybe A Guy Called Gerald/808 State, Eye Q Records, early >Warp/Ital Rockers etc, with a dash of Detroit and early Orbital in there too.
this sounds exactly like my cup of recombinant tea, what are the records/mix-Cds i should be checking out Tim?
(shame about their name though)
>Stone Roses
ah well you see this is where we part company Mark because if you don't think that the Stone Roses were a phenomenon , something to reckon with then... That was a Moment, there was definitely a vibe at their gigs that was special.... and they did some very Sixties-flavored things, true, but i can't actually think of anything that sounded like "I Wanna Be Adored" before it
very bright lads the Roses too... not, in fact, "lads" at all... much closer to the intellectual half of Manic Street Preachers than Oasis
Tim F said:
"I was saying to Jon Dale recently that where I feel one big divide b/w myself and say you and Simon is that you both seem to have had impeccable tastes from day one - it appears that you've both always been into music that you could defend forever aesthetically/culturally/politically.
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actually not true, there's always been a lot of things i like that don't fit whatever theory it is i've been touting at the time
i could come up with critical defences of them , and often have, but they'd only have the most tangential and logically tortured relation to the Main Thrust of My Ideas
just a few examples -- costello, prefab sprout.... [pause as gathers strength to admit it] cough... lloyd cole... pavement (only the early stuff, mind)... the list goes on.... Nirvana, by Mark's argument, are "revivalist" but they were great, there's no getting round it .... too many to list really
again, i see the parallel with things like fiction or TV or cinema.... there's always good and great work being done in forms that are not cutting-edge or futurist ... i'm as happy to watch/read a brilliantly-acted and written but formally non-groundbreaking movie /TV drama/novel --
yet we don't seem to be as forgiving toward this notion in music .... certainly i don't tend to be even though practically speaking it's not the case that 100 % of my listening is at the cutting edge
and at a time when the cutting edge is hard to locate it seems to be particularly fruitless to make that the sole criteria
as you say tim, i don't think what Ariel P is doing either can, or needs, to be justified as 'cutting edge'.... a lot of what makes it magical is about its raiding the pop memory banks, playing with pop pasts....
likewise junior boys
(incidentally, how is what they do, with its very pointed and discernible evocations of some 80s strains of music, not devoid of the taint of revivo/retro?)