Murphy
cat malogen
The universe and rates of self organising forms therein- physics, chemistry, biology, technology. Madness derived from the inability to comprehend the meta. Music. Crossroads.
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The universe and rates of self organising forms therein- physics, chemistry, biology, technology. Madness derived from the inability to comprehend the meta. Music. Crossroads.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Yeah the meta can be viewed as the golden thread here, the spine connecting every physical order of magnitude.
edit: actually, not quite. More like the golden thread that serves as the spine connecting the concrete to the abstract. The base physics to the immaterial spirit.
edit edit: ...think this one was force a bit too much.
edit: actually, not quite. More like the golden thread that serves as the spine connecting the concrete to the abstract. The base physics to the immaterial spirit.
edit edit: ...think this one was force a bit too much.
IdleRich
IdleRich
I'm not saying that I do. I just believe that whatever the thing we have is that looks like free-will arose out of original conditions which intuitively don't seem to make that possible. I don't see why that can't happen again. I don't know how to make it happen again but I think your "It's impossible don't bother trying argument" is fatally flawed.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
The concept of emergence is aligned with the argument of the new being unforeseeable, no?
IdleRich
IdleRich
Ah ok... well that's not what I was claiming though.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
And yeah the optimization function belongs to the kind of low-resolution language one can use feel these things out.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Our language of computing is primitive compared to the hypothetical tech required to run the universe - but that doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a lineage to be prognosticated.
Murphy
cat malogen
A quote tonight about articulating the now (McC?). Consciousness and qualia. Time as emergent. Trying to understand extinct cultures and their world-views, even though they were all too human. Ok the latter is more of a puzzle-set really around social domains, but go to Callanish and see how your mind tries to grasp it all.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
The reason would be to keep going deeper. One could argue that presupposing a foundation just gives you something to bounce off of, which could make scientific pursuits more efficient, provided we remember that the presupposition isn't dogma.
vimothy
yurp
the presupposition doesnt matter if it doesnt ever go any where
IdleRich
IdleRich
Mathematical modelling has got us quite far with a lot of things but that doesn't mean it will always work. I mean, maybe it's the best tool right now. I don't really know about it. My only point is that the existence of intelligence demonstrates that it was possible for it to magically summoned up somehow from elements that didn't contain it and so there is no reason to suppose that it can't happen again.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
But by entertaining the notion that consciousness can have empirical underpinnings, one is motivated to investigate it scientifically. If the notion is never entertained and tossed around, arguably the scientific progress wouldn't be made.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
That is, if all the scientists (or at least all the scientists with the sufficient instruments) firmly believed that consciousness was irreducible to materiality, there would be no movement on that front.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
And I'm still way too early in understanding science to tell whether or not the study of consciousness is going anywhere.
Murphy
cat malogen
I don't. We're all nuts in certain ways. Have to get past that obstacle first.
The hard question of c will evolve eventually. It's the brain. I am a universe re-presented in consciousness. Can the same thing be re-presented through technology? Again, the more fun problem is human consciousness itself.
This is an ok read. Depends how you take to the author's style, but the chapters themselves provide plenty for your consciousness to ponder and debate
The Mind in the Cave: Consciousness and the Origins of …
Emerging from the narrow underground passages into the …