New Grievous Angel mp3 releases: dubstep and noise-core

Grievous Angel

Beast of Burden
LickleFriction.jpg


New Grievous Angel dubstep tune: Lickle Friction. http://www.grievousangel.net/LickleFriction.mp3

Bonus points for spotting where the vocal samples are from. Ripley will get it in an instant :).

Plus, here's the full length version of a re-fix of Prince Jammy's Jammin for Survival which we included in the "On the Wire" mix. It's full-on Mark Stewart & Maffia-style maximum noise dub.

Prince Jammy: Jammin for Survival (Grievous Angel’s Jammin’ on Distortion Mix).
http://www.grievousangel.net/Distorted-Jammin.mp3

Let me know what you thin of them.
 

nomos

Administrator
My first impression is: Wow, nice bass! That's a real knockabout the chest and out the mouth kind of wobbly sub. The vocals and the noisy bits work really nicely too. I'd be interested to hear a less laid-back snare/hat arrangement, just to see how it could build some counterpoint tension with the bass.

Nice one :)
 

dHarry

Well-known member
likkleFriction

Deep throbbing bass action, nice manipulation of vocal samples & that occasional LFO'ed fluttery wave-noise thang is nice. Also like the brave use of silence & long buildup/breakdown before the introduction of the bass a full minute in. :cool:

I guess that minimalist sustained dread is a crucial half-step vibe, but I'd like a likkle more dynamics and maybe tuffer drum sounds given the near-total lack of melody or mid-range interest (or maybe some occasional dubbed-out guitar skank or brass stab-type thing?), but it would probably work nicely mid-set at FWD>> (not that I've ever been) ;)
 

Grievous Angel

Beast of Burden
Lovely, thank you!

There's no melody in that tune /at/ /all/ :cool:

There's some nice wibbly screaming noises that take up some space in the mids though. They started out as a greasy funk guitar sample that I just shredded in two mouse movements.

I probably shoulda done a bit more change-arounds with the snare. And it would have helped if I could have been bothered to change the reverb send settings for that channel at least once.

Still. Wobbly bass! Paul, if you're still looking for bass tips I am happy to furnish you with full details...

Next one is a very niiiiiice summery tune.
 

bassnation

the abyss
2stepfan said:
Lovely, thank you!

There's no melody in that tune /at/ /all/ :cool:

There's some nice wibbly screaming noises that take up some space in the mids though. They started out as a greasy funk guitar sample that I just shredded in two mouse movements.

I probably shoulda done a bit more change-arounds with the snare. And it would have helped if I could have been bothered to change the reverb send settings for that channel at least once.

Still. Wobbly bass! Paul, if you're still looking for bass tips I am happy to furnish you with full details...

Next one is a very niiiiiice summery tune.

hey, i'd love some tips on how you got those bass noises. are you using live for production at any stage or still mainly cubase?
 

nomos

Administrator
2stepfan said:
Still. Wobbly bass! Paul, if you're still looking for bass tips I am happy to furnish you with full details...
Yes please! I'm just listening again and it's completely sick.
 

Grievous Angel

Beast of Burden
That one was Reason for the backing, Cubase for the vox and final mix.

I'll post detailed instructions for the bass later. Piece of piss.

The new tune uses Reason for backing, Live for vox and sound fx, Cubase for maxing the levels for mp3. Haven't tried any of the instruments in Live yet.

I haven't given Lickle Friction to any of the dubstep DJs I know yet partly cos I don't think it's really good enough, partly cos I'm talking to them about other things and me giving them my tunes would kinda get in the way.
 

boomnoise

♫
2stepfan said:
I haven't given Lickle Friction to any of the dubstep DJs I know yet partly cos I don't think it's really good enough, partly cos I'm talking to them about other things and me giving them my tunes would kinda get in the way.

Intriguing.
 

Grievous Angel

Beast of Burden
Bass science 101

OK, here's how I did the bass.

First, I used a stock sub-bass sound in Reason's factory sound bank: Dirty South Bass.

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I edited the sound a tiny bit as you can see from the shot. It's a fantastic, massive sub-bass sound - if it sounds weedy on your speakers you probably need new monitors to make dubstep. Some monitors won't play this sound at all.

Crucially I set the LFO1 destination to Oscillator 1,2 - this meant I could automate the "whomp-whomp" flutter on the bass to get a recognisable dubstep sound. However, it's important to note that most dubstep producers from Loefah down will tell you to set the LFO destination to the filter to create the classical dubstep bass sound - you should probably experiment with that first. I was lazy and just stuck with the first noise that sounded good.

I then varied the amount and the rate of the LFO manually throughout the song. It took more than ten seconds to set up a control surface to do this, so I just drew it in throughout the track:

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I probably spent a total of half an hour editing this LFO automation in a couple of psses over a couple of days. That's really where the dynamics in the track come from. I also switched LFO tempo sync on and off throughout - this makes a radical difference to the sound. One of my pro producer friends says you should always leave it off for spoingy basslines.

You'll notice from the arrangement that the bassline -- well, it isn't really a bassline. It's just a series of very long bass notes on A3. I think there's some weird off-sets on where the note falls versus the measure - can't remember where it ended up, I fiddled with just where the note happened for a couple of hours. It's a seriously minimal track! The new one does a bit more musically.

When it came to the mix I tried to take out everything below 30hz and rolled off most of the top. This was to make space for the kick; I knew there'd be plenty of low end energy in the final pre-master anyway. Then I compressed it a bit to even it out.

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After that, the signal went straight out to Cubase (bypassing Reason's mixer) where I stuck a multiband compressor over it, set to the Bass preset.

There are some bleeps in there too:

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They started off as a stock wah-wah gutar sample that's go a slow envelope on it and a big, synced LFO on the Dr REX oscillator. Took ten seconds to do.

And there's that noise as well:

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Again, just a stock SH101 noise from the raw waveforms folder with another fast LFO on it, with a lot of fader riding and delay.

There's another syncopated bassline part as well that does some subliminal blips, too.

An important part of the whole sound was that I pre-mastered at 24bit (out of SX) at a very low level, avoiding all clipping -- which resulted in an extremely weedy-sounding file. Then for the purposes of the mp3, I totally cheated and wacked this file back into another SX arrangement with a multi-band compressor over the whole mix set to the very, very nasty "FM Radio" preset, which I edited to make it sound less spitty. It's a horrible thing to do to a waveform but it does make mp3s work a lot better, and I tried to curb its worst excesses, though I don't really know what I'm doing with it. Finally I encoded it with LAME.

So there you are. Dubstep basses are a lot easier than you think and Reason gives you heaps of raw material to work with. It's the arrangements that take the time to get right.
 
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nomos

Administrator
wow! you're nice. thanks for the screenshots too :D

i've been playing with reason for the last while and relaced my bulky interface/mixer/keyboard setup with a nice little m-audio thingy so that laziness wouldn't keep me from hooking it up. there's definitely a lot of potential in the reason synths. and i'm just a few days away from having time to figure out just what that potential is.

this will be an very helpful starting point for my experiments.

we'll have to have a dissensus dubstep bloggers compilation. you, me, marc, gutta... :p
 

Grievous Angel

Beast of Burden
Glad it worked for you fella.

The great thin about reason is that it cuts down the number of decisions you have to make, and can focus on the idea.

Yeah, lets do a DIssensus compo. Is Marc finishing his tunes these days? :p
 

nomos

Administrator
i have a hefty itunes playlist full of excellent, almost-done tracks by mr. bassnation ;)
 

nomos

Administrator
to be fair though, i don't think i've ever finished a track in my life

EDIT: but marc could have some hits on his hand... *nudge nudge*
 
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bassnation

the abyss
autonomicforthepeople said:
to be fair though, i don't think i've ever finished a track in my life

EDIT: but marc could have some hits on his hand... *nudge nudge*

lol, thanks - i think you rate my stuff more than i do, to be honest, but i'm getting there gradually.

i've got four i'm working on simulaneously, i might even resurrect my site and start blogging again (but under a different name).

whether any of this will actually be completed is another question altogether ;)
 
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bassnation

the abyss
2stepfan said:
Well then, get me and Paul to finish them for you!

thats a great idea, i'll take you up on that some time soon!

btw, on a production tip, does anyone have any recommendations for good sample cds for one-hit drums? whats peoples experiences of battery?
 

nomos

Administrator
i've used battery in the past and it's fantastic. nothing beats if for the control it gives you (shaping, filtering, etc.) over each drum hit. i'd really like to start using it again, but ideally with cubase so that gets expensive. you should get it ;) they have a demo on the native instruments site.
 

Grievous Angel

Beast of Burden
bassnation said:
thats a great idea, i'll take you up on that some time soon!
Good. I have a strict project management methodology for finishing tunes!
bassnation said:
btw, on a production tip, does anyone have any recommendations for good sample cds for one-hit drums? whats peoples experiences of battery?
Yes - don't get them! If you've got Reason, that has more than enough drum sounds IMO, and if you're worrying over whether a particular single hit is really good enough, you're taking time that's better spent on the arrangement and the mix.
 
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