New Grievous Angel mp3 releases: dubstep and noise-core

nomos

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i've been doing pretty well with reason the last little while, but i keep thinking of battery + cubase when i want to use a groove template or put the quantise resolution higher, or change the attack on a given drum sound.

i picked up a 'synthetic drums' pack for battery but i've been using it with reason. it's loaded with fun stuff.
 
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Grievous Angel

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autonomicforthepeople said:
i've been doing pretty well with reason the last little while, but i keep thinking of battery + cubase when i want to use a groove template or put the quantise resolution higher, or change the attack on a given drum sound.
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Maybe it's just me, but anytime I programme drums in Cubase the groove just gets sucked right out of it. For me, Reason just sounds "right"

autonomicforthepeople said:
i picked up a 'synthetic drums' pack for battery but i've been using it with reason. it's loaded with fun stuff.
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What, just as a source of raw samples to load into redrum?
 
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2stepfan said:
Maybe it's just me, but anytime I programme drums in Cubase the groove just gets sucked right out of it. For me, Reason just sounds "right"
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Really? That's good to know. That's how I feel with Live, but yeah Reason is just swingiing along nicely except sometimes it needs a bit more resolution.

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What, just as a source of raw samples to load into redrum?
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Yup. I just click the folder button on a Redrum track and go searching like in Fruity Loops.
 
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bassnation

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autonomicforthepeople said:
Really? That's good to know. That's how I feel with Live, but yeah Reason is just swingiing along nicely except sometimes it needs a bit more resolution
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i have a lot of difficulty with this in live - the whole swing aspect. i mean, sometimes you want rigid teutonic beats but not really for garage!

nowadays i remove quantisation completely for beats and draw them in where they "sound good" - not sure if its the right approach though. tips other people have given me (thanks to droid) is just applying reverb to certain beats and not others - not stacks of reverb but in a subtle transparent way.

but pauls right about avoiding spending too much time on drum sounds - i know producers who will happily spend a week just on tuning individual drum sounds. i don't have the patience for that kind of drudgery.
 
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:eek: Meant to get back to you on that Marc! Im king of slackness when it comes to PMs...

This thread is far too good for the mixes ghetto...
 
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I've read that the swing thing is a common complaint with Live and it has a lot to do with Monolake being the people behind it - I guess just not really seeing much need to develop that part of it.

On the drum thing - yeah I'm loving Reason right now because it's the closest I've had to Fruity since switching to Mac. I can just toss sounds in there and start making noise with a really simple interface. If I really need to change the attack on a sample I could try not being lazy and fix the sample in Peak.

I'll send you guys one or two things I've been working on pretty soon.

Marc - I think the plop it in where it sounds good approach is really good. That's what I used to do with my Yamaha RY30 because it doesn't have swing (that I could find) but it has pretty high quantisation, so I had all sorts of technically offbeat bits in patterns to give them more... panache.
 
Grievous Angel

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droid said:
This thread is far too good for the mixes ghetto...
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Nah, then every fucker will post to it. Keep it to the elite, that's what I say! The secret Dissensus production forum!

Re: Marc's point of manually drawing in beats without quantization - I don't personally think it's a good idea, because when I've tried it -- in absolute screaming frustration at the pile of grooveless shite that is Cubase on the Mac - it will sound like it's going somewhere good and then veers off into a funkless morass.

You're better off adopting the rigid discipline of one tight swung quantisation on everything and making sure there's occasional rests on the offbeat and touches of reverb - let it come out in the mix.

Mind you, swinging UK Garage is the hardest dance music to programme IMO...
 
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2stepfan said:
Mind you, swinging UK Garage is the hardest dance music to programme IMO...
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I'm completely pants at it

2stepfan said:
You're better off adopting the rigid discipline of one tight swung quantisation on everything and making sure there's occasional rests on the offbeat and touches of reverb - let it come out in the mix.
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It's true. Don't listen to me. I'm under the influence of that alchemy Burial does. But if you try to put swing on something that isn't in the right spot on the grid there's a good chance it'll turn into soulless drivel. I have a lot of Live files full of it.
 
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About drums, I have an absolute truck load of drum hits I'd be happy to compress and put somewhere if anyone's interested. Basically just heaps of drum machines.

After 12 years of bashing about with a hardware sampler and an old sequencer called Master Tracks, I've chosen to dive into the world of donig things with only software. Lucky I had a bit of a crack at it before I left my sampler in another country cos, man, it's pretty insanely different. Pretty easy to get a decent software setup for under US$100 though... or of course, for free, depending on whether you want to look into something like PD or go the UNIX route. Man, some of that stuff for Linux looks soooo sweet.
 
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autonomicforthepeople said:
I'm completely pants at it


It's true. Don't listen to me. I'm under the influence of that alchemy Burial does. But if you try to put swing on something that isn't in the right spot on the grid there's a good chance it'll turn into soulless drivel. I have a lot of Live files full of it.
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it depends... sometimes that wonkiness is what you want. my friend matt who runs the offkey label is obsessed with not quantifying on the beat. he was telling me this story about doing a track with a german bloke living in london - lots of arguments with the german guy who kept on moving the beats back into rigid 4/4 - its the teutonic way!

but paul is right generally - its something that you should be able to do with a bit of swing. thing is, live has settings for swing, but i can't tell the difference between the settings - try it yourself.
 
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bassnation

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michael said:
About drums, I have an absolute truck load of drum hits I'd be happy to compress and put somewhere if anyone's interested. Basically just heaps of drum machines.
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michael, that would be wicked. if you like, i'll zip up a load of old skool hardcore for you in return!
 
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this thread is making me want to hit reason again. I tried working on some dubstep beats, but the drum programming is killing me... just to get this straight: are you (pl.) drawing the hits in the sequencer, or are you using the redrum step sequencer?
 
Grievous Angel

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shudder said:
this thread is making me want to hit reason again. I tried working on some dubstep beats, but the drum programming is killing me... just to get this straight: are you (pl.) drawing the hits in the sequencer, or are you using the redrum step sequencer?
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I've tried both. The two tunes up here were done in redrum. Add plenty of heavy swing.

The one I'm working on right now is drawing beats in the arrange page. Works alright - beats on 16ths. But I'm doing a dark garage thing and it's fucking hard work. Might just knock out a reggae re-rub.

In other news, following my gargantuan Reason bass master class, I now can't get a decent bass noise out of it for love nor money.

Music - it's rubbish isn't it?
 
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