*groans* Yeah, we're already hearing it. Straight rhythms with no panache, just macho, brutalist plodding and whatever scary vocal sample was on hand. Interesting that folks like the Mystikz and Kode 9 are bringing a lot more bounce and swing to their sets lately. And good timing for the 'Roots of Dubstep' comp.2stepfan said:A bigger potential problem is dubstep producers, who seem to think that producing dubstep is "easy" compared to doing d'n'b. Gird your loins for a wave of metallic, thudding, testosterone-fuelled dullness.
Yeah I've had the same feeling. 'Course that's when people will pull out that platitude about "the richness of dubstep," but really I think that's missing the plot.adruu said:i just dont think we are listening to the same genre.
WOEBOT said:They must think they're in seventh heaven!
autonomicforthepeople said:'Course that's when people will pull out that platitude about "the richness of dubstep," but really I think that's missing the plot.
Tim F said:DWD I think it's implicit in this thread that "d&b fans" = "post-97 d&b fans".
Tim F said:Dubstep tends to resemble post-97 d&b slowed down more than it does pre-97 d&b slowed down, which is maybe 80% of what prevents the genre from fulfilling its potential.
Tim F said:Dubstep tends to resemble post-97 d&b slowed down more than it does pre-97 d&b slowed down, which is maybe 80% of what prevents the genre from fulfilling its potential.
Because it's an uncritical acceptance of anything running at 140 bpm as dubstep. IE: "it's all good." But dubstep does rely on certain formal elements from garage to distinguish itself from, for example, drum and bass played at 33rpm. Just like a song isn't blues just because someone says it is.m99188868 said:why would that be a platitude?
Trust me, living in Canada I've been told enough times that it's not 'MY' party to begin with. And I had no clue about garage in 1999. But the concern here isn't with new fans being attracted to dubstep. A huge proportion of the people listening to and making dubstep are/were jungle fans in the early- to mid-90s. There's no built-in distaste for jungle/dnb in general. But remember that UK garage was a response to post-Torque, etc. drum and bass becoming almost uniformly cold, macho, humourless, and rhythmically stale. 2step especially was a reaction against this. Yes drum and bass has influenced dubstep and of course drum and bass fans will be drawn to dubstep because they're closely related. But should formal/textual features of drum and bass come to predominate in dubstep (or maybe more accurately, should they come to represent 'dubstep' for the majority of listeners), thereby erasing the garage influence, then it really would be 'slowed down drum and bass,' wouldn't it? And the vibe and formal features inherited from 2step - which were employed precisely to separate UKg from dnb - would be muted, replaced by their antithesis. I think people like myself would like to see new fans engage dubstep on its own terms rather than merely seeing it as a new tempo at which to do what they already do.DWD said:Aw. Are the dnb kids crashing YOUR party?
I'm not sure why yourself, Simon R and Woebot have fixated on this over-generalisation of dubstep as dead flesh/2step sarcophagus/cud of the 'nuum/slowed-down, neo-dnb/etc.. To anyone who's paid much attention to the music, it doesn't hold water. And each time, it comes off as a swipe from someone who's obviously not listened to much of the stuff. K-punk was arguing similar points until recently, when he was exposed to a lot more dubstep. And he admitted that the bulk of his critique was formed a couple of years ago (Rephlex 'Grime 1'-era) based on a very limited sampling. Given all the snipes at dubstep over the last couple of months, I'd love to see a few examples to back up the argument.Tim F said:Dubstep tends to resemble post-97 d&b slowed down more than it does pre-97 d&b slowed down, which is maybe 80% of what prevents the genre from fulfilling its potential.
And my guess is that that's the reason for the shift towards bounce amongst the Mystikz, Kode 9, Hatcha...I don't see many newer producers repping anything but the most torpid of half-step...